An Offer For Barry Cooper

Paragraph #1,2,3,4 is all solid, correct and good advice. Quoting the above... "If an officer asks to search and you have private items that are not well hidden, always REFUSE consent." The key is whether your items are well hidden or not. As mentioned in my dvd, if you have small amounts of marijuana hidden well then give consent. If you have 300 lbs of marijuana in the back of your mini-van as seen on my dvd, then refuse consent and hopefully a good lawyer can have the evidence suppressed as mentioned in Scott's blog above.

I want to clarify Scott's next to last paragraph. "While I remain opposed to the notion that consenting to a search is ever a good idea, it is notable that Barry Cooper only recommends this in one situation: a traffic stop in which the officer is corrupt and the driver has private items that are well hidden." This statement is partially correct. I recommend giving permission to search if your small amount of marijuana is well hidden regardless of the officer's integrity. First, it is impossible to know the integrity level of the officer you are dealing with until you have been dealt with which usually comes AFTER you've refused or consented. The integrity of the officer is unknown at the point consent is given or refused making it impossible to place this bit of information in your decision making process. Second, if you are dealing with an officer who you magically know has 100% integrity, upon refusal, he or she is more likely to get the K-9 who will alert on your auto and you will be searched more thourougly and by more officers because of the refusal. If you give consent, he or she might get the K-9 and might not (usually not) and upon a quick search of your car, you will be released. Again, I am trying to keep you out of the courtroom not preparing you for the courtroom.

Free to leave...
As mentioned in my dvd, interdiction officers are trained to issue a citation then ask for consent. The Supreme Court has ruled once a citation has been issued, the driver is free to leave so if the officer obtains consent while the driver is free to leave then it is less likely for the officer to be accused of coercing the consent which can lead to suppression of the evidence. When an officer has writtin you a citation, you are free to leave at that moment so leave.

We had 12 hours of great information on video that had to be reduced to 90 minutes. Traffic Stops Volume 2 will discuss the material in my current dvd in greater depth and will reveal many more great tips not included in Volume 1.

I think it is wonderful Scott Morgan has taken the time to get good information to the public to stop these unreasonable searches and arrests we are suppose to be protected from. Myself and NeverGetBusted.com share the same goal. Great job Scott!

Regards,
Barry

Sorry about the "is" instead of "are" in my first sentence. Sorry about any mispellled werds. Please ignore these and just pay attention to my logic and reasoning. Smiles.

Barry

I consented to a vehicle search once because I ran a stop sign late a night and would rather get searched than get a ticket. I assumed a ticket was guaranteed if I objected. Of course I could have still received a ticket but cops in my area are not typically corrupt.

What is your opinion on caving to a search to avoid a ticket?

Once again Roy has posted something worthy of reading. Great and accurate analysis Roy!!!

Barry

My name is J.H. I am an ex-police officer and narcotics interdiction officer. I do stats for Barry. Most of the stats you saw in his DVD "Never Get Busted" came from information I looked up in those hard-to-find locations- what the gov't don't want you to know, etc.

In regards to "Terry Frisks" of vehicles, in 1983, the US Supreme Court ruled in Michigan v. Long , 463 U.S. 1032 (1983) that extended Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968) to allow searches of car compartments during a stop with reasonable suspicion. The case also clarified and narrowed the extent of adequate and independent state ground, allowing U.S. Supreme Court review of state supreme court decisions unless they explicitly appealed to state laws.

David Long was questioned by police after driving his car off a road and into a shallow ditch in Barry County, Michigan. Officers said he acted erratically and that he, "appeared to be under the influence of something." Noticing a hunting knife on the floor of the car, they conducted a "Terry" protective patdown (named after Terry v. Ohio), but they turned up no weapons. They then conducted a "protective search" of the car with the same justification: searching for weapons. Inside the car, police found an exposed bag of marijuana. In the trunk they found approximately 75 pounds more, and Long was arrested for possession.

I too have seized 1/2 kilo of cocaine, and 3k in cash under a driver seat during a Terry frisk of the vehicle.

There are numerous other USC rulings upholding Terry v. Ohio, and losses by defendants citing this case and Terry v. Ohio.

Barry asked me to post this, as there seems to have been a question regarding the applicability of Terry v. Ohio to vehicles.

I am sure Barry, or one of his assoiciates will talk more on the issue at a later time.

Best Regards-
JH
ex cop and an instructor (laws for law enforcement officers)

My name is J.H. I am an ex-police officer and narcotics interdiction officer. I do stats for Barry. Most of the stats you saw in his DVD "Never Get Busted" came from information I looked up in those hard-to-find locations- what the gov't don't want you to know, etc.

In regards to "Terry Frisks" of vehicles, in 1983, the US Supreme Court ruled in Michigan v. Long , 463 U.S. 1032 (1983) that extended Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968) to allow searches of car compartments during a stop with reasonable suspicion. The case also clarified and narrowed the extent of adequate and independent state ground, allowing U.S. Supreme Court review of state supreme court decisions unless they explicitly appealed to state laws.

David Long was questioned by police after driving his car off a road and into a shallow ditch in Barry County, Michigan. Officers said he acted erratically and that he, "appeared to be under the influence of something." Noticing a hunting knife on the floor of the car, they conducted a "Terry" protective patdown (named after Terry v. Ohio), but they turned up no weapons. They then conducted a "protective search" of the car with the same justification: searching for weapons. Inside the car, police found an exposed bag of marijuana. In the trunk they found approximately 75 pounds more, and Long was arrested for possession.

I too have seized 1/2 kilo of cocaine, and 3k in cash under a driver seat during a Terry frisk of the vehicle.

There are numerous other USC rulings upholding Terry v. Ohio, and losses by defendants citing this case and Terry v. Ohio.

Barry asked me to post this, as there seems to have been a question regarding the applicability of Terry v. Ohio to vehicles.

I am sure Barry, or one of his assoiciates will talk more on the issue at a later time.

Best Regards-
JH
ex cop and an instructor (laws for law enforcement officers)

The above case is NOT an account os a ' Terry ' search. The driver was nowhere near the vehicle and was no doubt handcuffed and in the back of a squad car when the cops did the ' protective ' search of the car. They were NOT looking for weapons so that they might be protected..the cops were in no risk of the driver jumping into the car and grabbing a gun or knife..There was NOTHING evident other than a hunting knife..nothing in plain sight. The cops were going to take the driver to jail anyway so a search was prior to towing as usual..but NOT a Terry search. When the defendant cannot get back into the car then the officers have NO business searching under Terry as no possible danger exists. Its just an excuse, as usual, for violating our Rights..Cops love to violate the law with impunity and harrass and falsely arrest people who do not show the right ' attitude '. I just hope that one day when the People have had enough of the cops violating our Rights for another arrest statistic that the hunters will become the hunted. The Courts are no help..only direct action will stop ' public servants ' from destroying our Constitution. My Dad was a cop for 30 years..I grew up in a police station..I have seen it all...What the cops will not do to ' win ' is a short list, regardless of Rights..I ALWAYS tell cops at DUI checkpoints and all other stops that I refuse all searches and I keep a video camera and tape recorder with me at all times driving so I can document the pigs actions..They HATE being filmed as they actually have to mind their P's and Q's and follow the law !! Imagine that !! Bastards..There is so much hate out there for the New Gestapo that maybe it will result in more cop injuries and lawsuits and lost jobs and careers and maybe convince the other swine to obey the law and stop mangling our beloved Constitution..It is common knowledge that cops stick together and lie and perjure themselves routinely..Thats says a lot about them, does'nt it ?

I once informed some officers who were trying to enter my premesis without a search warrant that I am recording everything....they scattered, like the cockroaches that they are, away from the front door the second I told them. Six hours later, after I made them get a warrant they entered. I had nothing to hide, but why should I make it easy? They did all kinds of threatening to get me to open the door.
One time I was pulling into a Burger King in Stockton, CA with my black boyfriend driving the car, I'm white. I was 8 months pregnant and we were doing nothing wrong. We entered and spotted a van with undercover officers in it. Being a black man in Amerikkka- he changed his mind about eating there. As we pulled out of the parking lot, the pigs surrounded us and pulled us over. He is usually very cooperative with them, but I am not. They said he "fit the description" and I replied to the black officer in the group, "Yeah and so do you. You know better, you should be ashamed of yourself."
My boyfriend smokes marijuana and there is a permanent smell of it in the car. The officers said that the smell was grounds on searching the car. So he allowed them to search against my protests. They also wanted to search my purse. I had nothing but make-up in it but I still refused just on GP. He told me that he can because of the weed smell. I tell him that I don't smoke weed because I really don't and NO he can't search it. Finally after much shit-talking I let him, just to show him that he's wrong in telling me that I must be hiding something or why would I refuse a search? I let him search just so he can see that I just won't let him search just to exercise my rights and to buck him. This was years ago, it wouldn't happen now like this. I am an ACLU member and love sites like this and constantly educate myself. When I get pulled over now, I make sure that they see my ACLU card in my wallet as I show my license. That same racial profilind situation today would warrant a call to the ACLU from me. I have one question though. Was the officer right? If there is a weed smell in the car could he have searched my purse as the passenger?

First of all I am all for flexing your rights and suggest that everyone invoke their rights. Over time people like us who are informed and refuse consent will have our day in court and eventually cops will have a case or hear of a case that did not favor them and may at least make them think twice about violating rights. But there are times when you have to submit to searches or tolerate unprofessional cops. If you are on the way to pick up your kids from school, on a short lunch break or as happened to me a few years back when I was responsible for taking care of my father when he was home on Hospice. Choosing to invoke my rights at the times when other people are counting on me is more of a selfish mission than a patriotic stand. At these times you should follow Barry's advice and make the decision where to stash and you should hide this well before you start the car. So many times people get into trouble because of bad planning. Everyone has bad luck sometimes but when bad luck seems to happen frequently it usually isn't bad luck but bad planning or irresponsible habits. If your car is maintained well meaning all lights are working and registration is up to date and if you wear a seat belt, go the speed limit and use your blinkers that should eliminate about 90% of reasons to get pulled over in the first place. I have seen Barry's DVD and it is very informative and explains so many more issues that go beyond consent. Barry's responses to comments aren't defensive. He also agrees with flexing your rights just as we all seem to be but we have all been pulled over and the reality is many cops take offense to you flexing your rights and some take it personally which means they become defensive and find a way to violate your rights just to show you who is boss. Also you might blow it by not practicing enough times on how tho handle these situations. In a cases like this consent or not make sure your stash is well hid. DC

I've seen Barry Cooper's DVD. I, like many, was more than a bit taken aback at the thought of consenting to a search. However, the logic seems pretty straight-foward, a cop is not as effective as a cop with a dog.
To me it was worth seeing just to learn about deception indicators. I would have never been conscious of that before.

On another tangent, When I google searched for his DVD I came across forums where it seems people are upset about Mr. Cooper making money from his DVD, what's the deal? He doesn't ask for donations.
I'm not part of the so-called cannabis-culture, but as far I can remember, High Times don't give away subscribtions and there's alot of counter culture 'heroes' selling DVD's and books.
Maybe since I'm not in the "clic" I just don't get it.

I've thought about donating to groups in the past, but quite frankly I think that those that are high up and well rooted in these organizations have as much to gain from Prohibition as the Prohibitionist do.

Look, if your going to Haul Dope, and think you can make it down the road, and you have the balls to try it, then dont be a pussy and not take your punishment, ol Barry is going to get someone killed.... he is a dumb ass from the get go, he would not make a hair on a police officers ass. He has to be one of the dumest turd that I have ever seen.

I saw Barry's video and found it to be very useful. A little advice I would give is this. I completely agree with the consenting to search if you have something well hidden. I know from experience that when you tell a cop you'd rather not have him search 100 out of 100 times they will call the dogs. Just like he said. And if you smoke marijuana, whether it be at home or at a freinds house, and you go touch your door handle, you are screwed. Ive told my freinds much of what was in this dvd before I ever saw it. It doesnt matter if the dog indicates or not because you arent a k9 handler and therefore have no clue what the dog would look like even if it did indicate. They will search you if you dont consent. One night I was riding home and it was around 4 a.m. and I only had one headlight (big mistake that couldnt be fixed at 4 a.m.) and I rounded the corner with my brights on so I got pulled over for not dimming them. They didnt ever even ask me for consent. All I saw was a dog. Of course he hit on the drivers and passenger side door and my dumbass freind had left an ever so tiny piece of bud in the side of the door and there was shake in the floorboard. I had about a quarter I had put way down inside the a/c vent. The dog was scratching the hell out of the back of the console, but the cops thought it was shake and let me go. If you hide your shit well they wont find it and refusing to let them search is like signing up to have your car completely dismantled. Drug dogs suck. Its like a free search for cops because they can say whatever they want. Not too mention the door handle thing. I appreciate the advice Barry and am waiting for the next dvd.

Great idea: If pulled over, leave your cell phone (assuming it actually has video capabilities) in plain view, and if asked to step out of the car, tuck it into your pants, halfway out (announced, of course). Let the officer(s) know that if you feel your rights are being violated, you are going to remove the cell phone from your waist, and videotape the ensuing situation...

Great idea. If pulled over, leave your cell phone (assuming it actually has video capabilities) in plain view, and if asked to step out of the car, tuck it into your pants, halfway out (announced, of course). Let the officer(s) know that if you feel your rights are being violated, you are going to remove the cell phone from your waist, and videotape the ensuing situation...

And then the cop will simply get mad and confiscate your phone if your lucky. Then again if not so lucky you'll get shot by one of these trigger happy assholes for holding a phone. When I hear about all these unreasonable searches and police brutality and bogus charges violating the rights of the people everyday. It makes me feel very proud to know when that pig gets whats coming to him by some thug on the street who actually had the balls to protect his freedom, his life.

The person who posted that people who haul dope shouldn't be a pussy and should take their punishment...you're fucking retarded.

First off, you have worse grammar than my 12 year old brother. I'm sure you're so educated that you know EVERYTHING about drugs, but you can't spell? I always see that connection of 'smart' cops who aren't literate. How do you expect people to take you seriously when you can't even write a sentence without HORRID spelling and grammar mistakes?

Second of all, it shouldn't be punishable. I hear most every cop in the world crying about marijuana being terrible and we deserve to be arrested. Why is terrible? The DEA won't allow the FDA to study it, so...maybe they know that the FDA will say it's safe? If they say it's safe, then all you officers don't have much of a reason to fuck with people. I think you all are worried about yourself and no one else. Plus, why do we deserve to have our freedom and our lives stripped from us? I have a wife, 3 kids, and a MD after my name...I think I've earned a joint, and I know how to do it responsibly.

Most cops brag about being in college for 60hrs of credit and their 6 month training...wow. How about this, spend EVERY year from 1st grade all the way til your 32nd birthday in school learning something ACTUALLY HELP people.

People are murdered in cold blood everyday in this country and are never inspected, found, or prosecuted. Police everywhere who feel that drugs are the problem, you're lack of education could be no more self evident.

Grow up, not for me, but for the American people.

In regards to the case mentioned above by J.H., just from that brief description, wouldn't driving a car into a ditch sort of become probable cause? The guy seemed "erratic" and if, maybe, he didn't have a decent reason for why his car was in a ditch......

Just saying, is all. I'm not for cops busting anyone who doesn't need it but sometimes the cops actually get things right.

Well, once in a great while.

C'mon guys, why such the drama with drugs... Its good for nothing!!! You will eventually get caught!!! You will lose everything you have house, family, life, respect and spend a little time in the county cross bar motel. Is it really worth it. Even when you sell or haul the damn shit you always have to look over your shoulder...Either from the cops or the the other dope dealer who want thier cut...WITH 1000% intrest.. Doesnt sound that much fun to me... I will have to give you guys credit...If you would spend as much time thinking on how to make an honest living and improve the quality of life in the world.. WE PROBABLY WOULDNT BE IN THE SHAPE WE ARE IN!!! Thanks

Maybe it's because people like you are the reason why we are in the shape we are in.

SOMEONE PLEASE DELETE ALL THE SPAM OFF OF HERE.

Obviously, alot of angry cops posting on this site, lol.

We are on to you, change your ways, or I'll see you in court. Not trying to steal any thunder here, but Barry is just one of a MILLIONS who knows whats up.

To all cops...your days of brutal, unconstitutional ways, are numbered.

BARRY COOPER FOR PRESIDENT!!! No really, if you run for office, I would vote for you no doubt. Civil rights are the MOST important issue our country could ever encounter, and I fully trust that Barry would actually fight for these rights of ours with everything he's got, rather than be corrupted by greed of oil and pharma like all our other leaders have been in a past, and present.

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