Barry Cooper Says Consent to Searches

Flex Your Rights has eagerly anticipated Barry Cooper's new video Never Get Busted Again: Vol.1 Traffic Stops, which finally arrived yesterday. After reviewing Cooper's DVD, we're disappointed to report that Never Get Busted badly misses the mark regarding consent searches.

We hope the following will not be interpreted as a rebuke of Cooper or his video, much of which we enjoyed. Still, we find it necessary to comment at length on his surprising advice.

Unfortunately, Cooper recommends consenting to searches, which is the worst imaginable strategy for handling a police encounter. His message flatly contradicts the consensus judgment of civil libertarians, and encourages the very behavior Flex Your Rights and many others have been struggling to abate. Hopefully Barry Cooper can be persuaded to reconsider his recommendation that citizens waive their constitutional rights. He should be excited to learn that refusing consent is a viable and prudent option for his audience.

Here is a transcript of Cooper's section on consent searches, interrupted by our detailed reactions:
You've heard your entire life: Refuse consent. Refuse consent. Refuse consent. I don't recommend that. You're free to do whatever you want, but I recommend quite the opposite.

If you've hidden your stash in a hard to find location -- like taught earlier in this DVD -- give the officer permission to search if he asks. Here's why: One hundred times out of one hundred, when somebody refused consent to search to me, they always had something in their vehicle they did not want me to find. It was usually drugs. Sometimes it might be a Playboy magazine or something of that nature. But there was always something they did not want me to see. Law enforcement officers know this.

There's no doubt that refusing consent will often heighten an officer's suspicions. But the officer was suspicious before asking for consent to search. (That’s precisely why he asked!) The argument that consenting will deflect suspicion cannot be sustained. Any officer, including Cooper elsewhere in the video, will confirm that almost everyone consents whether or not they're hiding something.

Cooper's claim that he searched everyone who refused suggests that he repeatedly violated constitutional prohibitions against unreasonable detentions and searches without probable cause. Such misconduct remains common, but it’s not exactly the norm.

Since Cooper's retirement, lawsuits over racial profiling have resulted in settlements limiting suspicionless consent searches in some states and increasing documentation and accountability when such searches occur. Much work remains to be done in this area, but many police departments are more respectful of constitutional rights than Cooper’s notorious Permian Basin Drug Task Force was.

Even though you have the constitutional right to refuse consent -- when you refuse it raises a huge red flag. You could almost call it a huge reasonable suspicion.

Refusing a search can never be called reasonable suspicion. A responsible discussion of a citizen's constitutional rights during police encounters must emphasize that exercising your rights can never be held against you as evidence of wrong-doing.

Though it's not his intention, we fear that Cooper's use of the term "reasonable suspicion" in this context could give many viewers the false impression that their refusal of consent can be used against them in court.

Upon refusing consent, that officer automatically knows now you have something to hide. If you simply say "Go ahead and search my car," he's probably going to make a quick cursory search, and then you'll be on your way.

Again, consent is given so routinely that it cannot contribute to a presumption of innocence. Cooper's terrific traffic stop footage is itself a perfect demonstration of this. It's risky to assume that a consent search will be brief or that officers will overlook Cooper's recommended hiding places, which are now an open secret.

If you refuse consent, he can do a weapons pat-down search of your vehicle without your permission, and upon patting the interior of the vehicle down for weapons, if he finds a marijuana seed or a marijuana pipe or something of that nature or if he smells marijuana, then he's going to search your car without your permission.

Refusing consent does not, by itself, give police the authority to do anything. If police have reasonable suspicion to believe you're armed (e.g. furtive movements, high crime area, etc.) they may perform a Terry frisk of your person. This pat-down does not include your vehicle, nor are police authorized to do this based on your refusal to consent. A weapons search of your vehicle's passenger compartment is only authorized in the course of a probable cause arrest.

If you refuse consent to search, he's liable to get a narcotics detector dog to walk around the outside of your vehicle. If that dog fails to alert -- as you learned in the K-9 section -- he could quite possibly cause that dog to false alert. Then you have no choice.

Drug sniffing dogs are frequently used in this situation, but police cannot detain you in order to bring a dog to the scene unless they have reasonable suspicion (which again cannot be triggered by your refusal to consent). If police threaten to bring in a dog, simply ask if you're free to go. If you're denied permission to leave, everything else that happens is subject to 4th Amendment analysis in court.

Barry Cooper offers some interesting discussion of the misuse of drug dogs elsewhere in the video. Unfortunately, he misses the vital point that refusing a search and dismissing yourself from the encounter is the best strategy. His advice to consent is merely a shorter path to the undesirable outcome his audience is trying to avoid in the first place.

He will also invite numerous other police officers at the scene. The call goes out on the radio, I've heard it a hundred times: "I have a refusal. I have a refusal." And police come from everywhere to figure out how to get in that car, and then they begin a real detailed search.

But any evidence they discover during this "real detailed search" will be inadmissible unless they have reasonable suspicion for the detention and probable cause for the search. If you consent, officers will also come to the scene to assist with the search. The only difference is that by consenting, you've volunteered to be investigated, thereby eliminating any chance you have of challenging it later in court.

That's the most important point of all: Consenting to a search automatically makes the search legal. And if any contraband is found, you can’t suppress the evidence. Waiving your 4th Amendment rights places you at the mercy of the criminal justice system and everything it has to offer. Ironically, Cooper encourages defendants to hire an attorney with trial experience and refuse plea bargains, yet anyone who consented to the search will have no choice but plead out or become an informant.

The failure to explain that consent automatically legalizes the search is a confounding omission given his target audience of marijuana users. Cooper praises 4th Amendment rights in the introduction, but later encourages citizens to voluntarily waive these rights when they matter most.

Civil libertarians have a vital interest in combating the harmful myth that police can do whatever they want. Such perceptions stifle discussion of police accountability and foster a reluctant tolerance of coercive police practices. Fortunately, lawsuits from people who know their rights have been a potent catalyst for reform. A citizenry that is vigilant and unyielding in its defense of constitutional protections is more likely to achieve justice than one which buries its secrets beneath the dashboard while waiving the right to privacy.

With this in mind, we encourage Barry Cooper to promptly revisit the issue of consent searches. It's a brief portion of the video, though it will become longer upon correction. In the meantime, he should consult defense attorneys and report his findings to those who've already purchased the DVD.

With minimal effort, Cooper can dramatically increase the value of his efforts and redeem this otherwise fascinating video.

Thanks!

I appreciate the heads up about this video. I'm sure Cooper means well and is only giving his honest opinion about how to exploit police tactics and strategies.

Unfortunately, exploiting procedures is not the same as knowing and exercising one's rights - and the latter is far more effective against intrusive and aggressive police in the long run. If everybody put up a maximum, informed defense against every Drug War charge, the court system and prosecutors would be overwhelmed and out of cash.

This Might Help With The Consent Issue

This is an excerpt from a popular review of my DVD found at windypundit.com. The following quote is in reference to the 3rd chapter of my video. Mark Draughn writes:

"This chapter also has what's probably the most controversial piece of advice: Don't refuse the officer's request to search your car. That goes against everything I've ever read. However, on reflection, Cooper's argument isn't totally insane: As former defense attorney Ken Lammers has pointed out many times on his blog, you don't really have any effective Fourth Amendment protection against a search anyway when you're in your car.

By refusing to let a cop search your car, you've all but told him that you have something to hide. You could quickly find yourself surrounded by six cops and a drug-sniffing dog, all willing to spend as much time as it takes to find a reason to search your car without your permission. According to Cooper, you're better off hiding the drugs really well and letting the cop make a quick but unsuccessful search. That makes a kind of crazy sense, but I know people who've refused a search and the cop just went away.

The fourth chapter consists of Cooper driving around with a cameraman in his car, profiling the cars on the road. As a narcotics officer, he would be trying to pick cars to pull over that would give him an above-average chance of finding drugs in the car.

(This is one of my favorite parts of the DVD because it's full of interesting little details about how cops think..."

I produced a DVD that shouts aloud what cops think in secret not what people have been told for years by attorneys and good activists. The info told for years is accurate just as my DVD is accurate if viewers understand the story is being told through the lens of a cop.

So far, thousands of copies sold, only four returns on my guarantee and they were all cops except one.

It's good information.

Regards,

Barry

Another FAIR review of the DVD

Just thought I would drop another recent review of my DVD in this thread since some on this thread are being a bit bias. Smiles.

Chris at www.meduser.ca wrote:

"I am sure many of you have been wondering what this DVD was all about, and whether it was above board and legit. I can say from my own perspective on this video, that this fellow has clearly been involved with, and subsequently gotten frustrated with being a police official, and that he offers a fresh view, and some wonderful insights into protecting yourself from unnecessary persecution and prosecution. Personally, I feel that Mr Cooper comes across as being sincere, and someone who genuinely wants to give something back, and help some folks from being arrested unnecessarily. All in all I believe this information could be valuable to folks who risk being harassed by law enforcement over cannabis, and it becomes doubly valuable to the many folks like ourselves here at meduser.ca, who are very ill and even terminal, and can do without the stigma, the stress and the threat to our physical well being, that looms over us as medical cannabis user’s."

The entire review can be seen at www.meduser.ca.

Thanks. I look forward to releasing my second DVD at the end to the summer.

Barry

Does refusal really work?

Giving consent to a search bothered me too. A lot. However, my impression is that recent Supreme Court decisions have made it fairly easy for police to find a legal reason to search a car. Does refusing a search work in real life?

Look at Barry Cooper's 9th paragraph

Hi, all-

Look at Barry Cooper's posting on this comments page (assuming the message was left by him), at paragraph 9, where he says: "An asshole cop like I was ..." The cop in the first part of FlexYourRigths' "Busted" video can be described the same way. While I believe in having a coalition against the drug war, I remain suspicious about what -- other than money -- has made Barry Cooper undergo such a metamorphosis from the cop he describes to a claimed drug war opponent.

I share FlexYourRights' dissent about Mr. Cooper's recommending rampant waiver of people's right to refuse a police "consent" search. Mr. Cooper's purported interest is in showing people how to conceal drug crimes, whereas my interest is in helping people know and exercise their Constitutional rights, whether or not they have anything to hide.

A person may be risking more than s/he realizes when consenting to a police search. I believe it is all too common for people in a car to throw their drugs and weapons (if they have any) into another passenger's or driver's area of the car when a traffic stop takes place. No matter how innocent the car's driver may be, consenting to a search risks the police finding contraband that someone else secretly left there...

See the rest of my comments at this blogposting:

http://tinyurl.com/ytyd4o

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Jon Katz
Criminal Defense Lawyer for MD, DC & VA
MARKS & KATZ, LLC
Silver Spring, MD 20910, (301) 495-4300
Underdog Blog: markskatz dot com /justiceblog

My Motives Can Be Seen By Those Who View the DVD

This is an excerpt from a popular review posted by windypundit.com after viewing my DVD. Mark Draughn writes:

"If you sometimes travel by car with small amounts of marijuana—a few joints, say—then this video will probably help you avoid getting busted.

In my first post about this video, when it was just buzz on the Internet, I said I thought Cooper was a hustler looking for a quick buck, and that I'd apologize if I was wrong. I think I have to apologize a bit.

Barry Cooper may be trying to make a quick buck, but the word "hustler" carries a connotation of dishonesty that was unwarranted. Sorry Barry. Your DVD is what you said it would be."

Barry Writes:

I produced a DVD that shouts aloud what cops think in secret not what people have been told for years by attorneys and good activists. The info told for years is accurate just as my DVD is accurate if viewers understand the story is being told through the lens of a cop.

So far, thousands of copies sold, only four returns on my guarantee and they were all cops except one. Mark was skeptical until he WATCHED the DVD.

It's good information.

Regards,

Barry

Refusing Consent

I've successfully refused consent on now 24 consecutive traffic stops over 13 years.

I was pulled over last Sunday, (some idiot, me, neglected to rewnew his drivers license,) by an officer who'd seen me earlier in the evening in my "Notice to Law Enforcement Officers: I do not consent to a search..." t-shirt. Brought the dog which somehow failed to indicate. He didn't even bother seeking permission after that.

does refusal really work?

It has been my personal experience that refusal really does work.
I have been the subject of countless stops and I am always asked "may we search your car?" I heve never given consent and in the end I am always allowed,reluctantly,to leave. perserveriance is the key! Hold on to your constitutional rights my fellow brothers and sisters. Keep the faith and never forget that this is a war!

Refusal

An unconditional - YES!

Never Consent To a Search of Your Vehicle or Home

Try it, you'll like it.

(smile)

STEVE'S 60 second DVD on HOW TO NOT GET BUSTED IN YOUR CAR

1) Keep your car properly tagged and lights working etc

2) Drive to your supplier and pick up your product

3) Put the product into your trunk and out of sight.

4) Drive directly home

5) Remove your product and carry it into your house.

Two cents plus a nickel to your nearest DPR org...Cash only.
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Follow the counsel of FlexYourRights on this one, imho as a 31 year Consumer of the Cannabis and prior to 1994, plenty o' other stuff I wouldn't want found on my person or in my car by a cop.

To the "60 second advice," I'

To the "60 second advice," I'd add this one:

6) If possible, dress nicely. In general, the more you look like Ward Cleaver on his way to or from work, the more the cop is apt to assume that you're "one of the good people" and act accordingly. In particular, I was involved in one accident when I was 24, and looked quite a bit younger. I was dressed in a tee-shirt and ratty blue jeans; the other driver was a distinguished looking man in his 50s, dressed in a suit. The other driver was completely at fault (he had accidentally ran a red light) -- and fortunately for me, he admitted this at the scene. (From what he said to me later, I think he was as outraged by the cop's conduct as I was.) I say that this was fortunate because the cop who handled the accident, upon his arrival, took one look at the two of us and made up his mind; his first action was to point to me and ask the other driver, "what happened, was he [me] speeding, or did he run the light, or what?" ... and continued to ask such questions or make statements to that effect until the other driver explicitly told him, "you've got it wrong, *I* caused the accident, not him."

Based on that and my other encounters with cops over the years, I'm thoroughly convinced that cops rely upon first impressions much more than they'll admit; perhaps much more than they even realize. In my experience, being dressed like you're on your way to a rock concert gets you the "what the hell are you up to, punk" treatment; being dressed like you're on your way to a corporate board meeting gets you the "sorry to bother you, sir" treatment. In other words, it's the difference between (in the cop's mind, not in any legal sense) the presumption of guilt and the presumption of innocence.

To the 60 sec advice

Most def do I agree!! But also remember that if u do ever get "caught" for what ever stupid reason. When u go to court also dress to the 9s. Take out piercings and yes I know thats a bite in the ass and not fare and yes they and the pink or blue hair you have shouldn't matter. But we all know if we have a little common sense. That a lot of people "ie law enforcment, and judges" do read the book by the cover. But I have learned that 9 out of 10 times that if u show respect even if u don't want to or mean it "be a really good actor here" that most judges will be a lot more lenient "baring the assholes that there is just no getting round.Because they just live to nail someone, anyone to the wall". Those of course are our curse. Also cover as many of your tattoos as possable"and believe me it can be done!" I know a lady that had neck to toes tatoos and we still managed it! And she took out all her piercings too. She got her whole case droped without any past fines or court cost. It was a case were she would have normaly had to pay something. Even the guys that I have given this advice too it worked wonders and I am from a very very small predjuce town. Also get your butt in your seat before the judge enters the room "if u don't this really pisses them off bad" Don't leave your seat before the judge leaves and "CLOSES the door" You don't know how many times I've seen a judge look through the crack in betwen the door and jam as he is leaving to see who got up to leave. Yes some of those judges will sink that low. I guess they are humen just like the rest of us! To add I am mostly talking about associate court because anyone going to Trial should know better there lawer having told them the rules "hopfully u dont end up with a cheap idiot! That gets u canned!" Much Warm Regards!!!! And Good Luck!!!!

Also add: DO NOT sample your

Also add: DO NOT sample your product before driving home. Drive safely, under the posted speed limit, signal properly (but not obsessively), and don't duck down the nearest street if a cop appears in your rearview mirror.

Probably most drug busts in vehicles are preceeded by "pretext stops," which are perfectly legal stops made by the cops to get a chance to look inside your car. Failure to signal a turn is a legitimate reason to stop someone; so is veering over the yellow line by even a fraction of an inch, driving even 1 mph over the limit, and trying to drive while looking in the mirror when a cop is behind you.

If you cannot meet these criteria, take the bus home. Or pop for a taxi. No matter how wasted you are, cops don't stop busses to search everyone.

Further

Okay, the above was quite sincere, but I'll reset a bit and take a more academic posture with the following.

Scott very correctly notes that an officer may for essentially any reason at all get you to submit to a body patdown. (Terry v Ohio).

So don't resist such a patdown if asked. But never, never consent to a search of your vehicle or your other private property.

And that's not only if you're on that short drive between supplier and your home, but imho, even more pertinent if you're driving along and are as far as you know, clean as whistlef for illegal contraband.

1) What if there's something in the car you don't know about?

Ever dropped anything that may have fallen between or under the seats? If you guess wrong, a lifetime criminal record could await you.

2) Ever had a passenger in your car drop anything? Or worse yet, ever had a passenger in your car who just MIGHT, if riding with you at the time of the stop and becoming frightened, INTENTIONALLY "drops" something under your seat?

Remember, a single wrong guess is costly....

But let's say you're really, really sure you and the car are clean.

A cop's search of your vehicle could involve anywhere from a couple of minutes to a half hour or more if he really wanted to poke around and call for dog or support. And if you have no contraband, the search is of course futile.

I submit that it is irresponnsible as a citizen for me to facilitate such a huge waste of police time. If I know my car is clean, I KNOW he's wasting time that could be used for more important work. He is far better off writing me my ticket or giving me a warning for my alleged traffic infraction and then we all go about our day.

And akin to that, I'll be damned if MY TIME is not worth more than standing by waiting for a cop to search my clean vehicle just to find out its clean.

Now you owe your nearest DPR org (try the DONATE key at the top of this page...smile) at least a buck....Unless you think my last two posts weren't at least 5% as informative as Mr Cooper's DVD?

But does it work?

Those are all good reasons to avoid a search, but they don't address Cooper's implication that refusing a search doesn't actually prevent a search.

Ken Lammers over at CrimLaw has repeatedly said that, at least in his state of Virginia, people have almost no Fourth Amendment protections in their cars.

In Cooper's Texas, police can arrest you for violating the traffic laws. You'll be released immediately by the judge, but I'll bet they figure out a way to do an admissible search of your car in the meantime.

If the Supreme Court has so gutted our Fourth Amendment rights when it comes to cars, via decisions like Whren and Atwater, that a refusal serves no protective purpose, then all refusing a search does is give the officers reason to believe they're on the right track.

So, is it common these days that refusing a search during a traffic stop actually prevents the officer from conducting an admissible search? Or is Cooper right that cops can almost always find a way to twist the rules in their favor?

Cooper is right. Terry has be

Cooper is right. Terry has been interpreted by the present Supreme Court to cover vehicle "pat downs" if the officer has a "reasonable belief" there might be something dangerous in the car, especially if there's someone in the car besides you. If they want to, police can pretty much guarantee their asses are covered in court by saying they saw you "make a movement" as you pulled over (ie, you were hiding a gun under the seat); or that there were children nearby (kids within a three-block radius are always in danger); or that your passenger was acting nervous.

Refusing a search will, indeed, invalidate the search; but the cop's going to search anyway regardless. If he finds anything he doesn't like, your ass is going to jail, and you'll be arguing your 4th Amendment rights were violated from there. And if he finds anything much beyond a little personal-use pot, there is almost no judge worth her salt anywhere in America who will bother listening to your complaints. You'll go to the can still protesting your violated rights, and your only hope at that point is that you've been incarcerated in California, where our liberal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals often overturns such cases. Several years later, of course.

Theoretically, you have the right to simply leave once you've signed the citation, and there's where cops catch lots of people. They can dick around for a "reasonable period" of time writing your citation--anywhere up to two hours if they can justify it in court--and if you leave BEFORE you sign the ticket, that's called evading arrest, and leads to some of the enthralling car pursuits we get around here during rush hour.

In re Texas, it's actually true in any state. If you go to jail, they WILL search your car; it's called an "inventory search" and is allegedly used to protect the cops from you claiming they stole your $5000 stereo system while you were bonding out. But, of course, they will gladly "inventory" any contraband you may have while protecting their butts.

I smell a mole

You know, I seriously suspect that instead of being a "champion for casual drug users" as he's reputed to be, Cooper is actually on the police payroll. Every other article I've read about Cooper indicates that he's a 'rebel,' he's turned his back on the law enforcement community, and so on. Could it be they're simply building up his reputation to be some sort of 'undercover cop,' aiding and abetting law enforcement while being marketed as a Benedict Arnold?

Think of how many stoners there will be watching this film, taking in that advice as The Word, and think the cops will give them a break?

There's NO WAY I would willingly give up my rights (however tattered they are at this point) to do a favour for someone whose job is to put me in jail...Absolutely no way.

Your Smeller is Broken!

You titled your post "I SMELL A MOLE." Well your smeller is broken!!! I purposely waited this long before I replied to your accusation because now (2 months later) it is clear to everybody that I am not a cop. I assist defense attorneys in beating drug dog cases and I have a page on my website mapping locations citizens are likely to encounter drug interdiction officers. www.nevergetbusted.com Cops do not do these things. In fact, I suggest to everybody that whomever directs you away from the good information in my DVD is probably a cop themselves and does not want you exposed to the truth!!!

Barry

TO Ref. Your Smeller is Broken !

You go Berry! Glad to see u pay attention to this and other sites! I live in a town were we are abused by our police officers on a daily basis! And I can tell u I'v had my share of them in my face when i voice my rights and there are some dirty cops there is just no getting around thay live to be a dick for what ever reason! Of course I recently had a diehard come to me and we had a little chat. And hes not so die hard anymore after a few personal runnins himself. He didn't like it either being messed with by his own people while trying to do what he was asked to do by his uppers! So he has also changed his tune! And he is right in line with u all the way!

Barry's Comments

Wow!!! Nice discussions about my dvd. I am glad my dvd has opened diologue to debate these sensitive issues. I think my comments might help clear a few thing up a bit.

1. I think it would be a good idea for myself and FLEXYOURRIGHTS to join forces and help each other. I am willing.

2. I think it would be a good idea for everybody to view the dvd for themselves and make their own judgements.

3. Number 2 above is not a marketing ploy to sell more dvds...I just want everybody to decide for themselves...I have enough marketing strategies to handle sales.

4. We have recieved over 100 great reviews. The only negative review has come from Loretta and that is because her and I had words months ago. Her review is bias.

5. I think it would be a good idea for myself and Loretta to join forces and help each other. I said things, she said things. Now let's join. I am willing.

6. I am not a cop!!! Anybody who watches the dvd can clearly see this. Before anybody knew about NEVER GET BUSTED AGAIN, HighTimes hired a private investigator to make sure I was who I say I am. I passed. Since then, I have developed a great working relationship with Hightimes including being hired to write a column for their magazine, being invited to their events and having Pot Star visit my home and office for a photo shoot and story which will be featured in the June issue. Hightimes does not allow crazy or unscrupulous vendors to work for them or even advertise with them. The entire Hightimes staff viewed my dvd and went nuts!!! They loved it!!! We have begun posting emails in response to my dvd on my website in the "testimonial" section. We will update this daily.

7. Of course I am making money with this dvd and I will continue making money with other products offered from NEVERGETBUSTED.COM. I am using this money to travel and speak against the War on People and to produce other helpful DVDs. I am also using the money to launch a plan discussed below in paragraph #13. Why in the world does making money bother people or harm my credibility as some have suggested? Tylenol makes money by helping others. Doctors make money by helping others. What's up?

8. The Consent to Search segment was taught by me based on my experience. My attorney said it best when he said "Barry is not preparing people for the courtroom, he is trying to keep people out of the courtroom." What I said is the truth. If a person refuses consent, his or her auto will be searched more intensively by more cops and k-9's. While teaching classes to law enforcement, cops always discussed how we loved to get a refusal and then discussed how to get in the auto. Please understand I have made THOUSANDS of traffic stops and arrested hundreds of people. Believe me when I tell you a refusal should not be a reasonable suspicion but it is the LARGEST reasonable suspicion out there. I understand flexing ones rights. Each individual person must decide if he or she wants to continue traveling down the highway or go to jail by "flexing their rights." My dvd is titled "Never Get Busted Again" not "FLEXYOURRIGHTSALLTHEWAYTOJAIL!!! Please do not take this as an attack on FlexYOurRights. I am glad their video is out there and wish more were available.

9. Usually when a person refuses consent and is let go without a search, the police officer does not have access to a k-9 or he truly is a fair cop trying not to walk on the fringes of the constitution. An asshole cop like I was and the majority of cops WILL SEARCH YOUR CAR WHEN GIVEN A REFUSAL!!! I think some of the anger directed toward me with this topic should be directed toward law enforcement for this type of behavior.

10. It is really easy to argue these points on the internet, in court or among ourselves but my dvd was designed for the citizen on the side of the highway wanting to go home.

11. There is a really good unbiased review of my dvd at http://www.windypundit.com/archives/2007/02/never_get_busted_again_volume.html This review is very objective and fair and should be read by those really interested.

12. Bottom line, we all have more in common than we have different...we all want this CRAZY and UNJUST War on People stopped. I am hacking at it on my end and it might look a little different than what others are doing but we all have the same goal. Let us all (including myself) always remember this in the heat of discussion.

13. I will be announcing a never tried before plan within 6 months that will end this WAR ON PEOPLE. It will cost a lot of money. I hope my dvd sales continue so I can fund it!!!

Please forgive any mispellled werds. I could not get my spell check to work.

Cheers,
Barry N. Cooper
CEO/NeverGetBusted

Some thoughts

Just one guy's opinion here. For the record, I'm not associated with anyone involved in this (FYR, Loretta Nall, Cooper, etc.), nor am I an attorney, etc. And I haven't seen Cooper's entire DVD, just the sample clips.

"2. I think it would be a good idea for everybody to view the dvd for themselves and make their own judgements."

For those who are unaware, there are sample clips available on Cooper's website, both on the main page *and* in a "sneak previews" section.

"4. We have recieved over 100 great reviews. The only negative review has come from Loretta and that is because her and I had words months ago."

I read Loretta Nall's comments (follow the links and you'll find them easily enough), and it seems blatantly obvious to me that she has some strong personal grudge against Cooper. That doesn't necessarily mean that anything she says is untrue, but it does raise some suspicions in my mind that she may be at least taking things out of context, assuming ill motives on Cooper's part, etc.

"6. I am not a cop!!!"

It's a natural suspicion, but after watching the sample clips, I think he's on the level.

"7. Of course I am making money with this dvd"

Sure he's making money. This is America, he's operating in the finest capitalist tradition, and God bless 'im for that. Sorry to disappoint the socialists out there, but there's nothing wrong *in itself* with making a living, or even with getting rich.

"8. The Consent to Search segment was taught by me based on my experience."

I have no doubt about Cooper's statement that a refusal makes cops determined to get in. But I think he's only telling half the story. I'm sure there are some times when a refusal inspires a reaction of, "ok, he's probably clean, but we'll still teach this bastard a lesson about who's *really* in charge." Either way, it amounts to the same thing.

"9. An asshole cop like I was and the majority of cops"

I don't know Cooper personally, but as far as "the majority" goes, hey, no argument at all from me. I've encountered, either directly or one step removed, examples of all the worst that American police have to offer; the officer who thinks "contempt of cop" is the worst offense possible; the sheriff's department where the officers make most of their incomes from drug sales to jail inmates; the officer who pulls people over for "driving while black"; the officer who plants evidence; the officer who lies under oath; the officer who views the general public with contempt; etc. I've come to believe that the average cop is probably trying to do the right thing (as he sees it) generally, but has long since decided that "you've gotta get a little dirty to be effective," and so doesn't lose any sleep after spending a day committing perjury or violating someone's rights if it "serves the greater good." And that's the average cop; half are even worse.

And here's the thing. I've never been arrested. I haven't even smoked any weed in years. None of my close friends are criminals. I'm about as close to "Mr. Respectable" as you can get. And I'm not in an occupation or lifestyle that leads to frequent contact with the police.

"I think some of the anger directed toward me with this topic should be directed toward law enforcement for this type of behavior."

Agreed. I fully expect some law enforcement officer to check in here and make the requisite remarks about "the thin blue line" or recite his favorite Jack Webb speech from "Dragnet." Here's one law-abiding citizen who just doesn't buy it anymore, and who has come to view *any* encounter with the police as an inherently adversarial situation where the other party has all the advantages. And I'm sure that I'm far from the only one. If any LEOs are reading this, maybe *that* is the real take-home message here; the well-deserved loss of confidence from the American public.

"12. Bottom line, we all have more in common than we have different"

Not exactly what Cooper seemed to mean by this, but some of his information and advice does dovetail with FYR's. During his "actual marijuana arrest" clip, he describes taking advantage of the driver's open (all the way) window to take a big sniff. He says at one point in the narration, "you have the right to remain silent; use it!" Again, I haven't seen the entire DVD, but it seems to me that representing it as simply "Waive Your Rights" vs. "Flex Your Rights" is a distortion and oversimplification.

My bottom line -- I'll probably buy Cooper's DVD; it seems like an interesting look at the dark side of law enforcement from the inside, and probably has some useful information. But ultimately, I can't agree with consenting to a search. That amounts to tossing away any possible defense, then keeping your fingers crossed. Given my low faith in cops, this seems tantamount to dropping your pants, bending over and grabbing your ankles, and hoping you don't get screwed.

A Little Unsolicited Advice

I started to reply to Barry's comment, but it evolved in a direction that doesn't really fit this forum. So I posted it on my blog.

Good to hear from you, Barry

I agree that we're pursuing similar goals and I'm sure we can help each other. To that end, I've created this short list of very important info that wasn't included in your video. I offer this in friendship and urge you to forward it to your list.

Consent is a very complicated issue, and I'm sure that your audience will appreciate the extra coverage. I've made the addendum consistent with what you've already said, even though I disagree with that. This way you can use it without contradicting yourself.

Also, please be aware that our advice doesn't get people put in jail. That's the opposite of what's happened and I hope you'll keep an open mind as you begin to discover why FYR and so many others have reached different conclusions than yours.

I've created a more detailed response to this issue here.

I've raised some serious issues and I'm eager to hear a response which addresses them more directly than the above. For example, your statement that police can do a weapons pat-down if you refuse a search isn't correct. You may have done that to people, but it isn't normal and it definitely isn't legal. Let's talk about that, not Loretta.

There's a lot of good advice in your video and it pains me to do it, but I'll remain judgmental at least until you address my specific criticisms.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Scott Morgan
Associate Director
Flex Your Rights

Thanks for the responses, Bar

Thanks for the responses, Barry. I see what you mean by coming at the same issue with a different perspective. It's sort of like the definition of "not seeing eye-to-eye," but it doesn't mean that one of us is necessarily wrong (your 12th point is well-stated).

Best of luck with the Never Get Busted Again series...!

I have refused searches and it worked

On three different occasions police officers requested to search my car on two of them and my house on the other. Once was in COlorado,one was in Nevada and the other was in Indiana. It worked like a charm ALL three times.

In one instance they did the good cop bad cop routine to get me to consent and I continued to refuse. They even said that they didn't care about pot, that they just wanted to make sure everyone was OK. Eventually they backed down.

In the other, they separated me from the driver who I gave a crash course in refusing consent in the minute or two before the officer got to the vehicle. THey pulled the "divide and conquer move" and used a lot of clever sounding questions to trick us into consenting, but when my nervous female friend sheepishly responded by saying, "I don't have anything to hide, but that doesn't mean I am consenting to a search" they gave us a warning and drove off.

In another instance, the cop claimed he was part of a new "Safe Streets initiative" that required him to "take a look" in vehicles for explosives. Then he said, "You don't mind if I take a look, do you?"
"I don't consent to any searches" were the last words I said to the officer. His last words were, "OK. Have a good day."

In all three cases I was clearly in violation of a law. In one case I was cited for that and in the other two I was not. In both cases I am positive that only bad things could have come from consenting. I was skeptical about refusing consent until I tried it and it worked EVERY time. ANd had it not worked, I know I would be giving my lawyer an excellent leg to stand on.

If it wasn't for my repeated viewings of Flex Your Rights' film BUSTED, I would have likely not been prepared for those encounters and wound up being intimidated into consenting. It is also likely that I would be rationalizing why consenting was the best option. No one wants to admit, even to themselves, that they were too weak to refuse.

Did they have a reasonable suspicion? Maybe, but my hunch is that they didn't want to be in the position of defending that suspicion in court when the next couple dozen people will simply consent and they won't have to defend their search.

Belief that the police have or will manufacture probable cause is not a good reason to consent to a search. Not consenting is not only the best strategy from a legal standpoint, but it is also an opportunity to flex the remaining rights we have left and to leave the scene with your dignity in tact.

Great review

I just wanted to pop in and thank all the wonderful folks at Flex Your Rights for this detailed review of Never Get Busted and a breakdown of the many things that are wrong with it. It was just spectacular!!

For the record, I have nothing personal against Mr. Cooper. I have a great deal of mistrust for him because of so many red flags over the last few months. I contest his assertion that we have had words in the past. We haven't. I posted our conversations on my blog yesterday so that everyone could see that I was always polite in my queries. I had a great deal of hope for this video and am very disappointed with what it contained. I am also very disappointed in Mr. Cooper's reaction to my critique. I thought he would have thicker skin. It is hard enough for those of us in drug policy reform to trust someone who has spent a portion of their life putting us in jail. It is ever harder to welcome them to the fold when it seems like their mission is to make money selling bad information to people who simply want to remain free citizens. It is predatory!

I am still willing to talk with Mr. Cooper. I would like to start by having him answer the questions I have been posing to him for over a month. Then we can go from there.

WindyPundit also has an incredible open letter to Mr. Cooper. I hope he takes the time to read it and implement the advice as well as the advice of Flex Your Rights.

Loretta Nall

Time And False Words Reveal Truth

Loretta posted this on Feb 14, 2007:

For the record, I have nothing personal against Mr. Cooper. I have a great deal of mistrust for him because of so many red flags over the last few months. I contest his assertion that we have had words in the past. We haven't. I posted our conversations on my blog yesterday so that everyone could see that I was always polite in my queries.

She posted this on her own web site Feb 11, 2007, three days prior to the above post:

I don't think his insertion of his wife into this discussion has anything to do with police psychology. I think it has way more to do with the fact that most drug policy reformers and organizations are about to take my lead and rip this fucktard to shreds. He's scared and he is running to hide behind wifey's skirt because he has no legitimate defense to offer regarding the questions and red flags raised.

Barry Writes:

POLITE AND OBJECTIVE? I purposely discontinued responding to Loretta's bias comments several months ago because I knew her own words and time would reveal the truth. I was patient and confident time would prove my sincere intentions more than arguing on the internet with haters.

I am curious what policy reformers and organizations are about to take Loretta's lead and rip me to shreds? The Dallas NORML Chapter and the University of North Texas NORML Chapter recently sponsored my Anti-Drug-War Conference at the University of North Texas while ABC's 20/20 was present for the story. I do and always have supported all drug reformation organizations regardless of certain individual personality conflicts between a few.

I have received several emails reporting Loretta has deleted posts on her web site that respond in my defense. A quick look at her site shows no post opposing her views. Her forum and review is bias and can't be trusted. She should stop erasing post and allow free speech.

You can visit my updated web site, nevergetbusted.com, browse the NGM COMMUNITY PAGE and discover a map reporting where citizens are likely to encounter drug interdiction officer on the highways of America. I also added a forum where you can ask questions and your post, negative or positive, will not be deleted to slant my arguments.

I leave you with an excerpt from an unbiased and popular review:

This is an excerpt from a popular review posted by windypundit.com after viewing my DVD. Mark Draughn writes:

"If you sometimes travel by car with small amounts of marijuana—a few joints, say—then this video will probably help you avoid getting busted.

In my first post about this video, when it was just buzz on the Internet, I said I thought Cooper was a hustler looking for a quick buck, and that I'd apologize if I was wrong. I think I have to apologize a bit.

Barry Cooper may be trying to make a quick buck, but the word "hustler" carries a connotation of dishonesty that was unwarranted. Sorry Barry. Your DVD is what you said it would be."

Barry

Integrity Check

I just posted the above reply on Loretta's site. Of course I got the message instructing my post must be approved by Loretta before posting. Let's wait and see if she deletes or not.

Barry

Don't Listen to Cooper -- Never Consent to a Search

A friend of mine kept delaying viewing BUSTED, so I gave her a two minute crash course. Sure enough, that weekend she was in her car with three others and got pulled over. As she was being pulled over she quickly instructed the others in the car to refuse all attempts by the officer(s) to search the vehicle or their persons -- she was sure to mention that the advice came from her drug policy reform professional friend. The cops tried the "divide and conquer" thing, but all of them said that they do not consent to a search. The cop was on his way.

Flex Your Rights has had their advice vetted by countless top lawyers and other top-notch professionals, and their advice has stood the test of time. Taking Cooper's advice as far as allowing an officer to search your car if you only have a little bit of well-hidden marijuana would be a HUGE mistake. If a cop searches without consent, it's an illegal search and the case is thrown out of court. If a cop doesn't have reasonable suspicion in the first place to detain you until a drug dog gets there, then the case can be thrown out of court. Consenting to a search leaves you no defense in court. Why the hell would one not want to use their best defensive move? NEVER, I repeat, NEVER CONSENT TO A SEARCH! Cooper simply needs to accept that he is wrong, notify the purchasers of his video, and move on. It is okay to make mistakes...

Oh, and Cooper should also leave out the line "The Most Trusted Name In Anti-Prohibition." Give me a break, Barry. Try having some respect for the organizations that have been working for decades to accomplish what you only recently espoused as your goals -- organizations that have tens of thousands of members, policy professionals working for them, that have built long-term, fruitful relationships with members of Congress, changed harmful drug laws, provide cutting-edge journalism and in the field, etc., etc., etc. You catch more flies with honey...

In Ref. To Don't Listen--

Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla you don't know shit about what goes on in the little known small towns do you?!!!!!!!! We have to servive out here in Missouri In meth grand centeral were almost every cop in the town are on it and dirty as hell!! And even though I always Flex My Rights when the dirty cops buck up agienst my family, friends, and myself. Somtimes "most of the time!" it dosen't work!!!! So for years I myself have studyed how our lovely little dirty cops work. Only by standing my ground. And ALSO using some dirty tricks of my own have we prevailed!!!!! But only to a point!!!! But at least it has kept us all out of jail!! We are still being subjected to car and home serches some home serches at 12 to 3 in the morning while our kids sleep,if we are lucky!!! With them finding nothing!!! And this will go on even finding nothing!!! And I happen to be a well dressed blonde with no tatoos, piercings. Pretty much the ones you say cops won't bother. But you are so wrong!!! No profile here! You try coming to a town like mine and see if it works for you!! I can tell you right now it won't because you will be the first one busted just because you are from out of town!! They are going to assume you are dirty! Because why else would you come so far out of your way. No matter what you look like. Or because of it!! I can tell you its a no win sitch! So they will be pulling you over as I drive by knowing your smart ass is going to jail tonight because you couldn't unbend to take a little advice and use your commen since to use some of Mr. Coppers tips!!!!!!! Rights only do not always work! Sometimes you have to have more brains!! And I will go happly unnoticed for at least one night!!!!!

North Carolina Cops

Tonya, North Carolina cops are worse than any horror story you could ever read. They are horrible to law abiding citizens.

Jon Katz is having trouble un

Jon Katz is having trouble understanding my motive other than money for producing the dvd. When viewing my dvd, the audience learns I have been the target of FIVE unreasonable arrests and ONE unreasonable search and attempted seizure of my two daughters. I was harmed physically, emotionally and financially from these events. These episodes terrorized my family and included cops leaving bruises on my strait "A" popular 14 year old daughter. I heard the screams of my children, (one of whom is a 4 year old handicap boy), crying out for me to help them. My children continued yelling for their mother to help them but she couldn't because of threats by officers of placing her in jail. My children chose to fight the police by "airplaining" as the officers attempted to stuff them in a patrol car. Other officers arrived and convinced those mishandling my kids to turn them loose and not serve the bogus writ of attachment. So Jon, please understand, my family and I were terrorized by law enforcement just as I use to terrorize families when I was a cop. My motivation for the dvd was two-fold...to make money and help stop these crazy searches and arrests. In an earlier email to me you indicated you have not viewed my dvd. Please view my dvd and the above will come alive to you.

Scott,
I answered your "Offer to Barry Cooper" a short time ago. I think it is only fair if I am willing to take my time away from promoting my dvd and building my company in order to maintain an open diologue with you by answering all your questions, you should change the title on this website from "Barry Cooper's Video Could Get You Busted" to something a little more appropriate. This being your website which is also selling a dvd about traffic stops makes you look bias. I understand you are non-profit but non-profit does not mean employees are not paid and your company is not making money. What you are doing is similar to me starting a new page on my website, trashing your dvd, and having all my followers join in the party. My followers would post personal experiences they had where giving consent aided in their not being arrested. I would never do this because my goal is not to cause harm to anybody assisting in this war against the war on people.

Does anybody that has posted thus far have any ought against HighTimes Magazine, the leader in Cannabis publications? It is my understanding their credibility is huge!!! I've always trusted them and so have millions of other readers. Here is a quote from Hightimes, "Barry Cooper's DVD, Never Get Busted, should be owned by every pot-smoker in America"--Pot Star, High Times Magazine. Their entire office loved the dvd!!!

Consent to Search: Don't hate on the entire dvd because you did not agree with one section. I still stand behind my statements regarding the consent but remember this was a small portion of the dvd. By posting titles like "Barry's Cooper's Video Could Get You Busted" sort of implies the entire dvd is bad. I think it unwise to continue my dialogue on this site if some level of fairness is not established.

I would not be opposed to recommending the purchase of FLEXYOURRIGHTS from my website but will not point my customers to a sight with unfair titles. Scott, if you are looking for perfection in me and my dvd before joining forces, it will never happen because I am not a perfect person. Again, it is my desire to promote each other and not tear each other down. Please consider.

Regards,
Barry
PS. Jon, this really is me. Smiles.

Barry's Comments #3

I screwed up and forgot to put my info in prior to hitting the post button. Sorry. Below is my response. Cheers.

Jon Katz is having trouble understanding my motive other than money for producing the dvd. When viewing my dvd, the audience learns I have been the target of FIVE unreasonable arrests and ONE unreasonable search and attempted seizure of my two daughters. I was harmed physically, emotionally and financially from these events. These episodes terrorized my family and included cops leaving bruises on my strait "A" popular 14 year old daughter. I heard the screams of my children, (one of whom is a 4 year old handicap boy), crying out for me to help them. My children continued yelling for their mother to help them but she couldn't because of threats by officers of placing her in jail. My children chose to fight the police by "airplaining" as the officers attempted to stuff them in a patrol car. Other officers arrived and convinced those mishandling my kids to turn them loose and not serve the bogus writ of attachment. So Jon, please understand, my family and I were terrorized by law enforcement just as I use to terrorize families when I was a cop. My motivation for the dvd was two-fold...to make money and help stop these crazy searches and arrests. In an earlier email to me you indicated you have not viewed my dvd. Please view my dvd and the above will come alive to you.

Scott,
I answered your "Offer to Barry Cooper" a short time ago. I think it is only fair if I am willing to take my time away from promoting my dvd and building my company in order to maintain an open diologue with you by answering all your questions, you should change the title on this website from "Barry Cooper's Video Could Get You Busted" to something a little more appropriate. This being your website which is also selling a dvd about traffic stops makes you look bias. I understand you are non-profit but non-profit does not mean employees are not paid and your company is not making money. What you are doing is similar to me starting a new page on my website, trashing your dvd, and having all my followers join in the party. My followers would post personal experiences they had where giving consent aided in their not being arrested. I would never do this because my goal is not to cause harm to anybody assisting in this war against the war on people.

Does anybody that has posted thus far have any ought against HighTimes Magazine, the leader in Cannabis publications? It is my understanding their credibility is huge!!! I've always trusted them and so have millions of other readers. Here is a quote from Hightimes, "Barry Cooper's DVD, Never Get Busted, should be owned by every pot-smoker in America"--Pot Star, High Times Magazine. Their entire office loved the dvd!!!

Consent to Search: Don't hate on the entire dvd because you did not agree with one section. I still stand behind my statements regarding the consent but remember this was a small portion of the dvd. By posting titles like "Barry's Cooper's Video Could Get You Busted" sort of implies the entire dvd is bad. I think it unwise to continue my dialogue on this site if some level of fairness is not established.

I would not be opposed to recommending the purchase of FLEXYOURRIGHTS from my website but will not point my customers to a sight with unfair titles. Scott, if you are looking for perfection in me and my dvd before joining forces, it will never happen because I am not a perfect person. Again, it is my desire to promote each other and not tear each other down. Please consider.

Regards,
Barry
PS. Jon, this really is me. Smiles.

Come on, Barry

I understand your concern. I'll gladly change the title if you'll inform your audience of the various situations in which consenting to a search is not your recommendation. In my experience doing know-your-rights education, I've learned that citizens must be prepared to assert their rights if necessary, even if they want to use your concealment strategy as their first line of defense.

It's not personal at all. I don't know why you're sounding offended all of a sudden. I've been clear from the begining that this isn't personal. All of my criticisms are fact based, are they not? Bear with me, please.

I've been saying this for 4 years and I can't stop now just because you mean well, or because I agree with you about other things. I've written a helpful addendum to your consent searches discussion that you agree with. Are you going to share my offering with your viewers? You can edit it to your liking and you don't have to credit me. They'll appreciate it.

You've hinted at "bias" now, but I don't think anyone would believe that. We offer Katya Komisaruk's book Beat The Heat even though it's less profitable for us than the DVD. You've challenged a central theme of our materials, Barry. Is it "bias" that we stand up for our message? Clearly not. That's ridiculous.

If you didn't expect this debate, you should have. Please don't be offended by it.

The list I've created is an offering of friendship to you and your viewers. Send it out, dude. Please.

Thanks Scott!!!

I will eblast my Barry's Buds Customer list today with the "helpful addendum" attached. I will not edit the 4 wonderful points you made and I will credit you with the addendum. My customers deserve knowing there are people like you out there with a real concern for good information. I would also like to speak with you by telephone about placing a small insert advertising your dvd in all my future orders. It would not cost you a dime except for the printing. It seems we have the same demographic.

Thanks for changing the title. I don't know what you will change it to but trust it will be fine. I am sorry if I sounded offended, I wrote my post with a smiling heart. That's the crazy thing about text only messaging...the attitude of the writer is not always captured.

My respect level for you Scott has been raised to a high level. Thanks for handling some of these sensitive issues with so much class!!!

Regards,

Barry

Eblast To My Customers

I just finished drafting the promised letter which will go out to all my customers and Barry's Buds. Here it is:

Greetings NGB Customer,

Scott Morgan with Flex Your Rights wrote additional addendums to my consent to search chapter that I endorse 100%. I was unable to fully discuss the lengthy topic of search and seizure in my dvd because of a 90 minute time constraint. Please consider the following information as reliable and add it to your arsenal of tips you learned in my NEVERGETBUSTED TRAFFIC STOPS VIDEO. I will not be filling your mailbox with unnecessary emails or emails promoting new products. I just felt a sense of urgency to educate you with the following information:

I propose the following addendums to Barry Cooper's advice regarding consent searches in Never Get Busted Again Vol. 1: Traffic Stops. This information is intended to help those who have private items that aren't well hidden, who are concerned that passengers may have stashed unknown items, or who have nothing to hide and wish to protect their 4th Amendment rights. I urge Barry Cooper to disseminate this information via his email list.

1. Be aware that consenting to a search means that you're waiving your 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. If anything illegal is found after you've consented to a search, there will be very little your attorney can do for you. (Barry might add "so make sure your stash is well hidden!")

2. If an officer asks to search and you have private items that are not well hidden, always REFUSE consent. If you are searched and arrested after refusing consent, your lawyer can file a motion to suppress (throw out) the evidence in court. Many people don't realize how often illegally obtained evidence is declared inadmissible due to 4th Amendment challenges from skilled attorneys. If you believe a search would produce evidence against you, refusing consent is your best option.

3. If you've got nothing to hide, always refuse the search. This will offer a good low-stakes opportunity to test the professionalism of the police in your area. If you are searched illegally, nothing will be found and it will help police to recognize that innocent people have an interest in their privacy rights too. If you are searched, contact an attorney to discuss possible litigation. Challenging police misconduct is difficult, but essential if progress is to be made.

4. If you find it necessary to refuse a search for the reasons listed above, calmly state the following: "Officer I don't consent to any searches. Am I free to go?" If the officer responds with threats ("I'll bring a drug dog"; "I'll impound your car," etc.) calmly repeat your request to leave until you receive a response. If the officer says you may leave, depart immediately regardless of anything else he says. If you believe your rights are being violated, don't tell the officer. Do your best to memorize everything that is said and write it down the first chance you get. This will help your attorney help you.

NEVERGETBUSTED IS WORKING ON A NEW PAGE FOR OUR WEBSITE!!!!!! The page will map the exact highways you are likely to encounter a drug interdiction officer in the U.S. and will rate their likeliness or unlikeliness of violating your 4th ammendment rights. The data will be compiled through your emails to me of your encounters with officers in your area. Please report to me any strong interdiction efforts being made in your area. Your local newspaper is a great source for this type of information. Access to this wonderful resource will be free. I will be the first to submit to this project:

If you are traveling on I-20 between Tyler and Longview, TX, be aware of Volunteer Constable, Mark Water. He frequently works this portion of Interstate and has quick access to a K-9. I personally watched a video of Mark making a drug seizure after a K-9's was encouraged to FALSE ALERT. Mark Waters grade is an "F" when it comes to violating 4th amendment rights.

Please send me your information.

Thanks,

Barry N. Cooper
CEO/NeverGetBusted

Thanks!

That makes me feel a lot better, Barry.

A big part of my frustration has been the fear that your viewers would be unprepared for situations other than the one described in your video. This should go a long way towards addressing that issue.

I've changed the title to something less critical as promised. Hope it works for ya. As for your other generous offer, I'll be in touch.

Peace & Freedom,

Scott

Props to Scott

Props to you Scott...you really care. If I can ever help Flex Your Rights, let me know.
Barry

Hats off to Barry

I was extremely skeptical after watching reading this blog and watching the section on consenting to searches, but the level of civil discourse that took place here (and on various other blogs) really amazes me. In my mind, Barry has distinguished himself from that typical law enforcement officer stereotype depicted in these types of videos. His willingness to openly debate perceived flaws in his advice is admirable, the icing on the cake being the addendum based Scott’s recommendations.

Buyer Beware

Cooper clearly is in it for the $$$ only. He makes claims to be pro-reform.

Heck, he claims that all of you, all of us, over all these years, have taken reform as far as it can go, and HE, God's gift to reform, will take it to the next level.

Really! Just listen to him say so on Dean Becker's radio show

http://www.drugtruth.net/cbaudio06/FDBCB_122906.mp3

This scam artist didn't even finish his first DVD before he started selling it - because he didn't have the money to produce it. And he will keep producing new videos for as long as there are suckers out there who will buy them. Next, one on how to keep from being busted in your home.

Oh, yes, he will say anything to make himself sound like he is pro-reform and will help. Do you really expect this ex-narc to give a dollar to anyone he busted? Easy promise from a failed car salesman!

Keith Stroup spotted this scam man from the start.

Oh, and don't forget that he is Only supporting marijuana law reform. Years ago I collected and used magic mushrooms in East Texas and Louisiana. This jerk thinks I belong in jail!

Thankfully syndicated columnist Gwynne Dyer helped inform folks about Cooper in columns that appeared in at least 37 newspapers last month. You may read the columns here:

http://www.mapinc.org/author/Gwynne+Dyer

Cooper claims Loretta Nall is bias. Cooper is the one who made the defamatory, sexist, ad hominem attacks against Loretta. Loretta is a respected reformer who has earned her creditability the hard way, as anybody may read at:

http://www.mapinc.org/people/Loretta+Nall

Will Cooper ever answer the questions Loretta has put to him?

Cooper claims to have a hundred good reviews of his DVD. Where are they? Oh, yes, one in High Times. He bought an ad. Follow the money!

Barry reminds me of another Barry, as depicted here:

http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/drawing.htm

What do you think?

Richard
http://www.cannabisconsumers.org/gallery.php?gal_id=46

Re-Listen to What I Said on Radio

Please listen to the broadcast again Mr. Lake. This is not what I said. You are taking things out of context and adding your own comments. I can clearly be heard wanting to join reformationist. What I said and what you heard are two different things. This really hurts your credibility. It can also be easily discovered I am an outspoken supporter of ENDING the entire drug war...not just legalizing pot.
Barry

What do I think?

I think Barry is pro-reform. He doesn't claim to be God's gift to anything.

How didn't he have the money to produce it? Are you his banker?

Did Barry sell you a car? What proof do you have that he has "failed" at anything? As for Stroup, isn't NORMAL now supporting Barry?

When did Barry say people who use mushrooms belong in jail?

Loretta Nall's bias is obvious when she uses words like "moron" and "fucktard" to describe a man she attacked the integrity of first. She is lowering the level of discourse with playground talk rather than facing the issue.

Oh, and the many great reviews are on his web site, in the testimonials section. Seems like the DVD has already helped a lot of people.

Why would High Times give a column to a liar and a thief? Would you call High Times profiteers because they make money off their magazine? That magazine does contain "insider" advice and informaion, just like Barry's DVD. And yet even with all the progress made with the people who matter, the "blogosphere" is still abuzz with failed libertarian leaders and their crews who confuse the issue and slow down dialogue with their hatred and fear of ALL police, especially former cops. What if one returned to repent and turn everything on its ear? Would you hear him out? It looks like many are, much to your chagrin.

Testimonials Are Not Reviews!

It is clear that you did not do your homework, Darren Gruber!

Cooper clearly states that all of you, all of us, over all these years, have taken reform as far as it can go, and that he will take reform to the next level on Dean Becker's syndicated radio show. Did you bother to listen to it?

http://www.drugtruth.net/cbaudio06/FDBCB_122906.mp3

If Cooper had the money to produce his first DVD it would not have taken months to ship. Any fool can figure that out.

Cooper lists owning three car dealerships himself, in the years since he was a narc. Since he does not now, that is evidence that he failed.

It is NORML, not NORMAL, Darren Gruber. No, NORML is not supporting Cooper or his DVC in any way. Where did you get that silly idea?

Cooper has said, repeatedly, he supports ONLY marijuana law reform. Thus he does not support making anything else, including mushrooms, legal. Did you actually read Gwynne Dyer's columns, Darren Gruber?

http://www.mapinc.org/author/Gwynne+Dyer

Ah, I see you have not been following the exchanges between Loretta and Cooper carefully, Darren Gruber.

Testimonials Are Not Reviews!

If you owned every issue of High Times since Issue 1, as I do, you would have noticed that those who purchase ad space are more likely to get favorable reviews. I don't blame High Times at all. That is probably just good thinking on their part.

I don't follow your "hatred and fear of ALL police, especially former cops." thing, Darren Gruber. Don't believe that is a Libertarian viewpoint at all.

Yes, I believe that law enforcement folks can repent, and come over to our side. Over 750 current and former members of law enforcement are now members, and many speakers, for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP) http://www.leap.cc

Yet Cooper, when he first put up his website, claimed that his DVD was endorsed by LEAP - when he had clearly been told by LEAP he could not do that, and by NORML, without even asking NORML if it was OK.

Responsible people do not make claims of endorsements on their website that are not true.

You need to follow the saga of Barry Cooper and his methods to try to get your $$$ more carefully, Darren Gruber.

As I said, Buyer Beware!

Richard

Darren?

Richard,

I don't think you meant to direct this comment at Darren Gruber. Darren Gruber is awesome.

Barry Cooper says he terrorized families as a cop.

On this thread, Barry Cooper has said:

- "An asshole cop like I was and the majority of cops WILL SEARCH YOUR CAR WHEN GIVEN A REFUSAL!!!" http://www.flexyourrights.org/cooper#comment-1778 .

- "[M]y family and I were terrorized by law enforcement just as I use to terrorize families when I was a cop." http://www.flexyourrights.org/cooper#comment-1791 .

After admitting to the above two egregious practices when he was a police officer, Mr. Cooper says "Please view [buy] my dvd."
http://www.flexyourrights.org/cooper#comment-1791.

I applaud Mr. Cooper for admitting to such past police behavior. However, I feel all the more uncomfortable buying his DVD with his above-listed admissions, without hearing from him (e.g., on his website, and without being implored to buy his video for his explanation for such behavior) why he acted that way as a cop, what made him recognize such behavior was wrong, and what he is doing and will do (beyond selling his DVD) to try to persuade cops -- from rookies to the most experienced cops -- to encourage them not to act that way.

I feel so strongly about this, because police misconduct is rampant (http://markskatz.com/blog2/serendipity/archives/129-Police-misconduct-Falsified-search-warrants-and-beating-of-arrestees..html ), and too many of my clients suffer from it. Such misconduct will not stop or abate enough until everybody insists on and achieves a radical and positive overhaul of policing, police hiring/ training/supervision/discipline; and a radical and positive overhaul of the criminal justice system (including heavily decriminalizing drugs (and legalizing marijuana, at the very least), eliminating mandatory minimum sentences, and eliminating criminal penalties for activities as minor as prostitution).

To justice for all. Jon

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Jon Katz
Criminal Defense Lawyer for MD, DC & VA
MARKS & KATZ, LLC
Silver Spring, MD 20910, (301) 495-4300
Underdog Blog: http://www.markskatz.com/JusticeBlog

In Ref. To all non believers!

Come on cant you people have a little faith in your fellow humans. I live in one of the worst towns! And even I keep hoping they will change! Yes some of them have too!!! Its a wonder!! Bad cops CAN turn good and so what if he makes some money off it!!? He is putting his ass on the line!! He is a ex-cop turning on the brotherhood do any of you realize what they could have done to him!!!??? I will just say from my own towns exper. it wouldn't be pretty and they could have went after his whole family!!! And if you no-it-alls would do a little reserch of your own you would be able to find out the truth of what this man Barry Cooper is all about if you really wanted to!!! So get off your asses and do some of the leg work yourself! Instead of bitching!!!! And refuring to what everyone eles has to say!!!!! The mans trying to do a good thing! No one is perfect!!! He is doing the best he can with what he has!!! So Cudos to Mr. Cooper!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lake writes "Cooper clearly i

Lake writes "Cooper clearly is in it for the $$$ only. He makes claims to be pro-reform."

I am making money and I am pro-reform. What's the problem?

Lake writes "Heck, he claims that all of you, all of us, over all these years, have taken reform as far as it can go, and HE, God's gift to reform, will take it to the next level." Really! Just listen to him say so on Dean Becker's radio show.

Please listen to the broadcast again Mr. Lake. This is not what I said. You are taking things out of context and adding your own comments. I can clearly be heard wanting to join reformationist. What I said and what you heard are two different things. This really hurts your credibility.

Lake writes "This scam artist didn't even finish his first DVD before he started selling it - because he didn't have the money to produce it. And he will keep producing new videos for as long as there are suckers out there who will buy them. Next, one on how to keep from being busted in your home. If Cooper had the money to produce his first DVD it would not have taken months to ship. Any fool can figure that out."

My NEVERGETBUSTED idea was leaked to the media prematurely catching me off guard. I used the premature media coverage to get orders of a dvd that was complete at the time but after the national attention, I took some time to "fine tune" my product. Now that the dvd has been released, the thousands of emails thanking me for such a good product is confirmation I made the right decision. Everybody except a few got their dvd within the 6 week period announced on our website. Future orders are now being shipped the next day. I had plenty of money before this project because of my previous successful business ventures. Yes I will continue producing one-of-a-kind dvd's.

Lake writes, "Cooper lists owning three car dealerships himself, in the years since he was a narc. Since he does not now, that is evidence that he failed."

How in the world did you draw that conclusion? I sold my dealerships, I sold my cage fighting company, I sold my limousine company for PROFIT. This happens every day and is no sign of failure.

Lake writes "Oh, yes, he will say anything to make himself sound like he is pro-reform and will help. Do you really expect this ex-narc to give a dollar to anyone he busted? Easy promise from a failed car salesman!"

I am pro-reform and will help. Yes I will give money to any non-violent person I have arrested in the past. Your argument here is very weak.

Lake writes "Keith Stroup spotted this scam man from the start."

Now that the dvd is out, we have proof this is not a scam. Keith made some pre-mature comments.

Lake writes "Oh, and don't forget that he is Only supporting marijuana law reform. Years ago I collected and used magic mushrooms in East Texas and Louisiana. This jerk thinks I belong in jail!"

Wrong again. Three years ago I was hired as an expert witness to a K-9 false alerting on a kilo of cocaine. I have made it clear I want all drugs legal and want prohibition to lift. If you don't believe me, ghost write an email from my website and test me. I speak of marijuana more often because it is easier for people to swallow. My personal experience and research suggests mushrooms are harmless. Please Mr. Lake, get your facts correct and let's be friends.

Lake writes "thankfully syndicated columnist Gwynne Dyer helped inform folks about Cooper in columns that appeared in at least 37 newspapers last month. You may read the columns
http://www.mapinc.org/author/Gwynne+Dyer"

I went to this address and it was confusing to me where the article was you eluded to.

Lake writes "Cooper claims Loretta Nall is bias. Cooper is the one who made the defamatory, sexist, ad hominem attacks against Loretta. Loretta is a respected reformer who has earned her creditability the hard way,"

I am not commenting on Loretta any longer and have made that clear.

Lake writes "Cooper claims to have a hundred good reviews of his DVD. Where are they? Oh, yes, one in High Times. He bought an ad. Follow the money! Testimonials Are Not Reviews! If you owned every issue of High Times since Issue 1, as I do, you would have noticed that those who purchase ad space are more likely to get favorable reviews. I don't blame High Times at all. That is probably just good thinking on their part."

Reviews, testimonial, statements, opinions, whatever you want to call them the positive response to my dvd is out there. Go to my site and read the testimonials. The reason HighTimes usually gives good reviews of the products advertised in their magazine is because High Times researches the vendors product before allowing it to be advertised. This ensures their readers get a quality product like my dvd. By-the-way, I will be a feature article in the June Issue of High Times. Mr. Lake, have you seen my dvd?

Mr. Lake. I will not respond to your posts any longer if the future posts are an attack on my personal character. If you have questions, concerns or ideas as to how I can better serve the U.S. citizens then post. Otherwise, please reconsider and let's be friends. You really need to watch my dvd if you have not already.

Barry

Barry's Comments #4

Forgive me AGAIN. I forgot to enter the title prior to sending my message.

Lake writes "Cooper clearly is in it for the $$$ only. He makes claims to be pro-reform."

I am making money and I am pro-reform. What's the problem?

Lake writes "Heck, he claims that all of you, all of us, over all these years, have taken reform as far as it can go, and HE, God's gift to reform, will take it to the next level." Really! Just listen to him say so on Dean Becker's radio show.

Please listen to the broadcast again Mr. Lake. This is not what I said. You are taking things out of context and adding your own comments. I can clearly be heard wanting to join reformationist. What I said and what you heard are two different things. This really hurts your credibility.

Lake writes "This scam artist didn't even finish his first DVD before he started selling it - because he didn't have the money to produce it. And he will keep producing new videos for as long as there are suckers out there who will buy them. Next, one on how to keep from being busted in your home. If Cooper had the money to produce his first DVD it would not have taken months to ship. Any fool can figure that out."

My NEVERGETBUSTED idea was leaked to the media prematurely catching me off guard. I used the premature media coverage to get orders of a dvd that was complete at the time but after the national attention, I took some time to "fine tune" my product. Now that the dvd has been released, the thousands of emails thanking me for such a good product is confirmation I made the right decision. Everybody except a few got their dvd within the 6 week period announced on our website. Future orders are now being shipped the next day. I had plenty of money before this project because of my previous successful business ventures. Yes I will continue producing one-of-a-kind dvd's.

Lake writes, "Cooper lists owning three car dealerships himself, in the years since he was a narc. Since he does not now, that is evidence that he failed."

How in the world did you draw that conclusion? I sold my dealerships, I sold my cage fighting company, I sold my limousine company for PROFIT. This happens every day and is no sign of failure.

Lake writes "Oh, yes, he will say anything to make himself sound like he is pro-reform and will help. Do you really expect this ex-narc to give a dollar to anyone he busted? Easy promise from a failed car salesman!"

I am pro-reform and will help. Yes I will give money to any non-violent person I have arrested in the past. Your argument here is very weak.

Lake writes "Keith Stroup spotted this scam man from the start."

Now that the dvd is out, we have proof this is not a scam. Keith made some pre-mature comments.

Lake writes "Oh, and don't forget that he is Only supporting marijuana law reform. Years ago I collected and used magic mushrooms in East Texas and Louisiana. This jerk thinks I belong in jail!"

Wrong again. Three years ago I was hired as an expert witness to a K-9 false alerting on a kilo of cocaine. I have made it clear I want all drugs legal and want prohibition to lift. If you don't believe me, ghost write an email from my website and test me. I speak of marijuana more often because it is easier for people to swallow. My personal experience and research suggests mushrooms are harmless. Please Mr. Lake, get your facts correct and let's be friends.

Lake writes "thankfully syndicated columnist Gwynne Dyer helped inform folks about Cooper in columns that appeared in at least 37 newspapers last month. You may read the columns
http://www.mapinc.org/author/Gwynne+Dyer"

I went to this address and it was confusing to me where the article was you eluded to.

Lake writes "Cooper claims Loretta Nall is bias. Cooper is the one who made the defamatory, sexist, ad hominem attacks against Loretta. Loretta is a respected reformer who has earned her creditability the hard way,"

I am not commenting on Loretta any longer and have made that clear.

Lake writes "Cooper claims to have a hundred good reviews of his DVD. Where are they? Oh, yes, one in High Times. He bought an ad. Follow the money! Testimonials Are Not Reviews! If you owned every issue of High Times since Issue 1, as I do, you would have noticed that those who purchase ad space are more likely to get favorable reviews. I don't blame High Times at all. That is probably just good thinking on their part."

Reviews, testimonial, statements, opinions, whatever you want to call them the positive response to my dvd is out there. Go to my site and read the testimonials. The reason HighTimes usually gives good reviews of the products advertised in their magazine is because High Times researches the vendors product before allowing it to be advertised. This ensures their readers get a quality product like my dvd. By-the-way, I will be a feature article in the June Issue of High Times. Mr. Lake, have you seen my dvd?

Mr. Lake. I will not respond to your posts any longer if the future posts are an attack on my personal character. If you have questions, concerns or ideas as to how I can better serve the U.S. citizens then post. Otherwise, please reconsider and let's be friends. You really need to watch my dvd if you have not already.

Barry

Barry's Response to Jon

Jon writes "I applaud Mr. Cooper for admitting to such past police behavior. However, I feel all the more uncomfortable buying his DVD with his above-listed admissions, without hearing from him (e.g., on his website, and without being implored to buy his video for his explanation for such behavior) why he acted that way as a cop, what made him recognize such behavior was wrong, and what he is doing and will do (beyond selling his DVD) to try to persuade cops -- from rookies to the most experienced cops -- to encourage them not to act that way."

Please watch my dvd. It will answer all the above questions. If you don't like it after that, send it back and I will refund your entire purchase including postage just as my website states. If you will read "EBLAST TO MY CUSTOMERS" in this thread, you will learn I am adding a page to my website which will point out bad police searches. Maybe this will "encourage them not to act that way" because now they are being watched by an ex-narc who will say it!!!! My dvd alone is also encouraging law enforcment "not to act that way" because I am exposing their motives. PLEASE WATCH THE DVD. It seems most of my critics who are still being critical have not watched the dvd for themselves. Smiles.

Barry

"Watch [buy] my video," replies Barry.

Here's an easily available alternative to having people buy Barry's video to find out how he achieved (if he actually did) this monumental metamorphosis from -- in his words on this webpage -- acting like an "asshole cop" and terrozing families, why he acted like that in the first place (and who, if anyone, trained him to be like that), and what he is doing and will do (beyond selling his DVD and adding a page to his website pointingt out bad police searches) to try to persuade cops not to act that way. He can place that information for free on his website, just as FlexYourRights places substantial free information on its website.

My discomfort with Barry's unexplained (except for on his DVD-for-pay, as he tells it on this FYR webpage) past actions as an "asshole" cop and terrorizer of families is a substantial impediment to my buying his video, with or without the money-back-gurantee. Moreover, I do not believe in buying products with the intent of returning them. Consequently, the money-back guarantee is of little meaning to me. Too many of my clients are victimized by such police behavior, and it will be hard for me to part with money for such profit-making purposes as Barry's at this juncture.

Have a great week all. Jon

---
Jon Katz
Criminal Defense Lawyer for MD, DC & VA
MARKS & KATZ, LLC
Silver Spring, MD 20910, (301) 495-4300
Underdog Blog: http://markskatz.com/JusticeBlog

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