Why Would You Cooperate With Someone Who's Trying to Arrest you?

In a fascinating NYT article on overzealous marijuana policing in New York City, I found this rather revealing passage:
"I came out of the building, and this unmarked car, no light, no indication it was police, was right on me,” said the man, a Latino who asked that his name not be used because he was concerned about his job. "Right on my tail. An officer got out, he said, 'I saw you walking from that building, I know you bought weed, give me the weed.' He made it an option: 'Give me the weed now and I will give you a summons, or we can search your vehicle and can take you in.'"

He opened the console and handed them his marijuana — making it "open to public view."

"I was duped," he said. But the deception was legal, and his pot wasn’t.

The officers escorted him in handcuffs to the unmarked car.
Amazingly, police must actually trick citizens into displaying their marijuana in order to make an arrest, since New York's marijuana decrim law requires plain view discovery. NYPD officers have become quite adept at initiating this through the typical threats and coercion that have long been the hallmark of petty drug war police practices.

It's a terrific, yet disturbing, example of how police can intimidate citizens into incriminating themselves. As always, the best strategy is to ignore incriminating questions and ask if you're free to go. After all, cooperating with police who are trying to arrest you just might get you arrested.

Truthiness?

Are there good arguments against a law that says law enforcement officers cannot knowingly lie? I assume an "undercover" exception would need to be included, but once an officer has identified himself or herself as such, doesn't it make sense that they should be trustworthy?

The statment "or we can search your vehicle and can take you in" is in fact not true w/o evidence that would allow that search, which they didn't have when the statement was made...

Fact

Deception and integrity are in two opposite directions. Police that lie are not to be trusted.

id like to correct what the f

id like to correct what the fact comment says POLICE ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED

awesome

I think this is fantastic news. If I were a police officer I would do the same thing.

If you don't want to get arrested, you could try not breaking the law.

Just a suggestion.

Really?

So you can't think of anything better for police to focus on? What would you say if I told you we could solve more robberies and violent crimes by refocusing our efforts on those problems?

Re: Really?

I'd agree with you, but I'd go further and say that the drug trade is a driving force behind much of that violent crime and those robberies. It seems unwise to address one without addressing the other.

If breaking the law has the potential to get a person arrested, that person is better off not breaking the law. I don't want a DUI, so I don't drink and drive.

The man in this story did something he knew was illegal. It strikes me as sad and absurd that the police, who were doing the work they've been assigned to do, are being cast in a bad light in this particular story.

Of course-and this is very important- my thinking this doesn't mean that I think police are never in the wrong.

Prohibition didnt work agains

Prohibition didnt work against alcohol and its not working against drugs. So my opinion is legalize it all because i frankly dont care if my neighbor shoots heroin all day and ruins his life, it is neither my buisness nor my problem ( That is unless he gets on welfare but thats a different issue ).

Also lets talk a minute about enforcement. In my area of New York only certain crimes get paid directly to the locality that enforced them. In your opinion doesnt this sway the odds of a locality enforcing the rule that pays them directly over all other rules, in my opinion this is not benfitial to the taxpayer whom already is flipping a substantial bill.

Also lets say i drink and drive or speed or commit a thousand other traffic offences. Back in the day under common law if noone was hurt or thier property was not damaged i have commited no crime. Also under common law if i did do damage to a person or his property i was held accountable to that person not the state.

Why are people paying fines to a state or pissing away my tax dollars in time to inprision people that have done no damage to me, that is the true crux of why people are offended that a cop has to get a small time user to incriminate himself through a lie rather than concentrating on usefull solutions to sociatal woes.

You must be a cop

This thread isn't about whether or not he broke the law...he obviously did and it was stated as such in the post. But the idea that it is "good news" that a officer of the law bullied someone into giving up their rights is sickening. Police are supposed to protect our rights, not strong arm us out of them.

The point here is that the cops didn't know he had done anything wrong...he wasn't seen purchasing drugs, he wasn't seen using drugs and he wasn't seen carrying drugs. They assumed he must have drugs because he was leaving a building and it fit their profile. This is a breach of our rights and is a crime in itself.

Could you be more naive. "tr

Could you be more naive. "try not breaking the law?" how quaint. What about fathers rights and the law! All of these fucked up women who want to get rid of their men because they wanna get laid by other guys is fucked! The number one reason most women claim is domestic violence. It doesn't even have to be proven, only a false accustaion is enough to fuck with some innocent guy. INNOCENT!! The law doesn't give a shit and the cops less. People do not realize how many innocent men their are in jail because of some bogus domestic vilence charge by some trick that used to be a wife. What the hell ever happened to father's rights?! Don't believe the doemstic violence propaganda that 34% of hospital patients are a result of domestic violence. HA! THATS SOME SERIOUS BULLSHIT!! DO THE RESEARCH! THE TRUTH IS THAT ONLY .3% OF HOSPITAL PATIENTS MAKE UP DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. People, don't believe this shit. I know their are men who do commit these acts of violence, and I know their are women as well, but don't stereotype just becuase you want to go home early.

fuck cops scum of the earth.

fuck cops scum of the earth.

I agree. City revenues come f

I agree. City revenues come from how many tickets cops can issue out. What's worse, is that the US has more of its citizens in prison than communist China does. That's some serious BULLSHIT!!
We are quickly becoming a fascist state instead of a democracy. fuck the cops and CPS. Did you know that CPS gets paid to take kids away from their families and then gets a bonus when they find them a foster home?

Wow. That is poetry. You shou

Wow. That is poetry. You should be published and distributed to scholars and academics the world over. Actually I'd bet money that you live somewhere in our great country where interaction with the police is at a bare minimum. Because you probably have an upper-middle class background and have neighbors who work for a living. You don't have to worry about leaving your crib to your job and coming home to find your apartment ransacked and all your worldly goods stolen or flipped upside down. Hell, I'll go the extra mile and bet you never had shots fired at you while hanging out in front of your building. You probably don't even have a "building." Just a big green front yard. Far away from any "criminal activity." You probably do have a lot of pent up anger towards the police though because you listen to a lot of underground East Coast hip hop. And you probably got a ticket one time for doing 56 in a 55. You make me sick. I wish for one night only you had to strap on a Glock and a radio and walk a foot post in Flatbush Brooklyn or the South Bronx. Then tell me about good and evil.

Your self righteous bullshit

Your self righteous bullshit conveniently skirts the fact that prohibition drug laws INVENTED the organized and violent crime that makes inner city work dangerous. It doesn't matter what you strap on: if you're not for more freedom, you're for making the problems in the country worse. I've strapped on a few guns and walked beats. One thing that always struck my mind was how large a percentage of people's suspicions of police officers, and the complete lack of trust for policemen, contributes an enormous gap between community self management and having assholes come in who had long lists of invented crimes to harass people with.

The only thing dangerous today about policing that wasn't 100 years ago, is today, EVERYbody is a criminal; and since that's true, the dangerous ones can't be singled out.

Take your Fascism and put it where you obviously put your understanding of a functional society: someplace where it smells like what you foist off as the glory of policing.

So you've strapped on a few g

So you've strapped on a few guns and walked beats huh? Well now I've seen it all, a freelance law enforcement agent with 100 years experience who doubles as a civil libertarian. WTF! I mean anytime someone starts a sentence with "If you're not for more freedom..." he's usually George W. Bush. You erroneously equate freedom with less law enforcement. My understanding of a functional society is fine. It's you who seems to be saying that anarchy is the best way since it's total freedom. Well fine. Let the police all go on vacation at the same time. No enforcement. Great. Then we'll all be free. Free to live our lives without the fascist police looming over us. And we can all use our knowledge of the bill of rights to keep all the bad people away and live happily ever after.

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