Today's Supreme Court Ruling is Bad, But not as Bad as it Sounds

Today's Supreme Court ruling in Virginia v. Moore upheld the use of evidence seized during arrests that are illegal under state law. It's a terrible ruling to be sure, but it's hardly the deathblow to our 4th Amendment rights that some may assume. As always, we hope concerned citizens will take a moment to learn what the ruling does and does not do and remember that asserting your constitutional rights during police encounters remains the best choice.

David L. Moore was arrested for driving on a suspended license, subsequently searched and found with crack. It turned out that under VA law he should have been issued a citation and not arrested, thus the search that followed his arrest (and turned up the crack) shouldn't actually have happened. The Supreme Court unanimously upheld the evidence anyway, finding that when officers have valid probable cause to believe a crime has been committed, they may arrest and search the suspect, even if state laws prohibit arrests for that particular offense.

As absurd as it is to uphold evidence seized in violation of state law and allow that evidence to be used in state court, my main concern with this ruling is that it will be widely misunderstood to permit illegal arrests and searches on a massive scale. It doesn't do that. We're not talking about any illegal arrest, we're talking about arrests for actual crimes that police can prove, but for which suspects aren't typically cuffed and taken downtown. So yes, the ruling is disgraceful, but the circumstances under which it applies are relatively narrow.

The worst-case scenario here is that police may, in some cases, perform arrests for misdemeanor offenses that normally result in a ticket simply to justify a search of the suspect or his/her vehicle. That's awful, but it's not a new problem. This same concern has been voiced for some time with regards to the Court's rulings in Whren v. U.S. and Atwater v. Lago Vista, which combined permit police to stop vehicles for any observed infraction and perform arrests for any misdemeanor offense.

The real problem here is that police have long been permitted by the Court to search the suspect (U.S. v. Robinson) and the passenger compartment (New York v. Belton) of the vehicle when any arrest is made. The policy is intended to provide for officer safety and prevent the destruction of evidence, yet an arrested suspect is typically handcuffed and rendered immobile before the search even takes place. Moreover, there's no rational basis to assume that someone arrested for driving with a suspended license, for example, would attempt an escape or try to destroy evidence to begin with.

In sum, today's ruling possesses fundamental logical flaws, but doesn't expand police power in any substantial new directions. The worst aspects of the Moore decision are derived from prior bad rulings that we've already been living under for a long time. This Supreme Court is no friend of the 4th Amendment, but the damage they've inflicted is compounded when civil libertarians respond by prematurely eulogizing our constitutional rights. Anyone who needs a reminder that the 4th Amendment ain't dead should check out these glorious success stories.

Nothing in this argument chan

Nothing in this argument changes the basic fact.
He had crack.
That was a fact.
Any interpration of the 4th amendment that excludes some facts because of how they were obtained is ridiculous- a fact is a fact.

If the police officer acted improperly, seperate the issue and charge him with something, don't pretend a fact doesn't exist.

Then go protect the rights of a victim of a drug related crime.

Ben

Be careful my friend

Ben.. You're right, drug crime victims should have their rights protected. likewise, I'm sure you want your own rights protected too, yes? That's why rights exist in our society, they are for everyone. You can't just pick and choose who you think "deserves" their rights. Don't dismiss our 4th amendment; it protects what little privacy we have left.

Nonsense

If I steal something it doesn't become mine. When police violate someone's rights in order to obtain evidence, that means the evidence isn't theirs to use.

The consequences of rewarding police for civil rights violations by allowing the evidence to be used in court are quite severe and intolerable. The Court noted this in Mapp v. Ohio.

It still does not make sense.

It still does not make sense... the Supreme Court said a search is valid "when officers have VALID probable cause to believe a crime has been committed"... but in the case of David L. Moore, the probable cause (knowledge) leading officers to believe it was an arrestible crime was INvalid (not correct)! Therefor, according to the Supreme Court's own decision, the search was likewise invalid. No?

Driving under the influence... was the crime?

Driving under the influence/impaired... was the crime I believe, however, that doesn't give law enforcement the right to search your property (car) without probable cause.

Dude!

I stated clearly in the above post that the offense was driving with a suspended license. Where did you come up with DUI? I go to the trouble of writing this stuff up, can you at least read it before commenting? Please?

I agree

"... but in the case of David L. Moore, the probable cause (knowledge) leading officers to believe it was an arrestible crime was INvalid (not correct)! Therefor, according to the Supreme Court's own decision, the search was likewise invalid. No?"

I agree with this analysis. Unfortunately, the court does not.

Does this mean that an office

Does this mean that an officer pulling you over for a speeding ticket can arrest you and then search your vehicle?

No! No! No!

It does not. Speeding and most other common traffic violations are civil infractions, not misdemeanors. If Moore had merely run a stop sign, the Supreme Court could not have ruled this way.

And that's really the important lesson to take away from all this. You can't just be arrested and searched for a petty traffic violation.

Yes Yes Yes

Although you would think that a traffic stop wouldn't lead to arrest and a search your wrong. I was pulled over for running a stop sign. Fine i didn't see it whatever write me a ticket and i 'll be on my way. WRONG... After giving him my liscense and registration he asked why i ran it. I told him I never saw it because of a tree limb that was partially blocking it. He then told me that i must have been under the influence of something and could he search the vehicle. I told him no so he arrested me for reckless driving and searched anyway. After not finding anything he told me that i was free to go he had changed his mind. I tried to report it but was told time and time again that he did nothing improper and that he was just doing his job. the lawyer i talked to told me to drop it or else i would just be a target for them. I have since moved..

Ben sounds young & confused

Sounds like Ben and the Supreme Court have the same problem, thanks to the deceptions, lies, and crimes of the purveyors of gods & governments!

Ben DOES NOT find our Rights, Freedoms, and Liberties to be self-evident or inalienable... as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights!

Ben is probably too young to understand that law enforcement is too often little more than state sanctioned tools, stooges, & criminals themselves... usually having to break the law to enforce it... how fucked-up that society must be.

Anytime ANYONE tries to alienate you, or anyone else for that matter, from your Rights... you as a good vigilant citizen... are supposed to exercise your right of self-defense, including preemptive, to stop that injustice/crime from occurring.

I'd rather trust a crook I know... then a cop I don't!

Billy B. Blunt
Tacoma, WA

What 4th?

If the Supreme Court of the United States does not favor the 4th,generally,does the 4th really exist? Probable cause probably means just about anything nowadays. The wall negating the 4th is being built one brick at a time.

All good Responses from Scott ! (Thank you)

Scott has hit the nail on the head with his expose! Please remember your basic substantive criminal law = infractions are civil in nature, misdemeanors & Felonies are CRIMES. DWS is a Misdemeanor.
Therefore a crime. Officers may elect a custodial arrest (even prohibited in Virginia and other states) and then the real expection to the warrant comes into play: Search incident to a custodial arrest.
All misdemanor (crimes) may be responded to, by officers, by a custodial arrest...My concern is that those justices in the Atwater case dissenting, joined the majority in this case. (I personally wish they would take a stand and stick to their constitutional guns, instead of confusing the rest of us who teach this stuff!) Anyway, this is such a great forum ! I will revisit it often! Thanks again Scott!

Mispelled Word- My Bad

In my response, and I apologize for not proof reading it--> Real Expection should have read "real exception."

Sorry for the error

Its already happening...

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa080506_jh_turnviolation.d417a0a3.html

Does this not seem to negate the theory that police will not be able to arrest people for minor traffic offenses? While the full details are not known, would Virginia v. Moore thus allow the arresting officer to search the vehicle of the arrested individual? Depending on how this plays out it would seem that if an officer wanted consent and you didn't give it during a traffic stop then they could merely arrest you and then search your vehicle anyway.

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