Bad Cop Caught on Camera

Please update with correct information. Sgt. Kuehnlein is not a member of the St. Louis Police Department.

Brett "pushed the officer's buttons" when he initially refused to state what he was doing in the parking lot.

I agree with what he did. I even agree with how he did it, but it's quite obvious what Sgt. Kuehnlein thought about that.

My question is this: If I have a right to remain silent and choose to exercise it even when I'm innocent, how can I tactfully do so?

Choosing not to answer questions is not an admission of guilt. It's not refusing to comply with a *lawful* order. It's a constitutionally-protected civil right.

I choose to not answer questions due to teh simple fact that I do not trust an officer who is searching for guilt to correctly interpret any answer I give him. I'd far rather he act on the strength of any evidence than because we had communications issues and I thought I said one thing and he thought I meant another.

If I'm innocent of any crime and suddenly I'm harassed by a police officer out of the blue, interrogating me about what I'm doing when I know damned well I'm not committing a crime, I do not see where I should be bullied and bagdered and threatened into explaining my innocence. In fact, I'm especially wary of answering questions from such a person. I'm convinced he'll find some fault in anything I say.

I'm innocent until proven guilty.

What the police officer is doing in these situations is responding to a curious situation, satisfying his curiosity by fishing for clues he can use to justify action.

If the crime doesn't exists, the clues don't exist. All the officer is doing is violating the innocent suspect's privacy. This is not something the officer has the right or authority to do.

If the suspect were guilty, the incriminating evidence would exist whether or not the suspect chose to explain himself, and the officer should have been *acting on that evidence*

Whenever possible, do not consent to searches and do not answer questions *especially* if you're innocent. If officers truly have sufficient reason to act, they'll have enough for a warrant. If they don't, then they have no business harassing you in the first place.

And since I believe as much, what I'd like to hear about is a polite, respectful way of stating that I chose not to comply with unlawful searches or to be forced to make statements the officer may misinterpret.

Can't say I believe his cover story at all. Let's face it, he was doing a sting operation on a cop he must have had some idea was bad. Why else turn into that particular lot with a camera running? Why didn't his friend ever turn up? Just call it a sting operation. It was still a great catch. I wonder if the cop was playing mind games or if he really has trumped up charges before? Did he end up actually trying to charge the kid with anything? Even if it was just a mind game, it's totally unacceptable to ever hear something like that coming from the police. That's like hearing your pastor say, "So, whaddya think? How about we rape some women and go rob a bank? Nah, I'm just kiddin with you, wanted to see if you were a sinner." Like, whoa, that is just WAY out of bounds.

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The most interesting part of the entire thing is that the cop (Baited or Not) did not have his dash camera activated - or so they say?

The Police Chief is a proven pervert and he has his renegade officer to thank for it all rearing its ugly head again! The Arnold Police Department says the St George Chief made inappropriate contact with a 17 year old female - The Chief claims he is not guilty - so does every pervert that comes off the street - Why would this town hire a man with a past such as this to run their police department?

There are a lot of people moving into the role of citezen journalist, and yes the mainsteam media is furiouse - they do not have the oppertunity to pick what gets read and what gets pushed under the rug - and all newspapers hate the web (they know the time is close to them shutting down shop).
I have two friends that have video/audio set ups in their vehicles much like this young man does. If the MO AG (The States Top Cop)says he condones cameras in private vehicles to record police encounters, then I say he just reaffirmed that this practice is legal and protected under the US Constitution.

unbeliable!!!

Even if there is less than 1% 'bad cop' in the world, there are enough cops overall for there to be many thousands of bad cops.

There are always enough assholes to go around.

It does look a bit like he might have had something in mind, though his friend might have just kept driving when he saw the scene, rather than get sucked into it. Either way, this should serve as a cautionary tale to keep borderline cops in line.

What's 'sad' is that every case this cop was ever involved in will now be up for appeal, assuming those who've defended cases this guy potentially made up get off their butts and look into it. Because now there is bullet-proof video evidence that this cop is a liar, and has probably perjured himself on numerous occasions. Any conviction based on his testimony is basically tits-up unless the poor unfortunate soul plea-bargained because his public defender told him to.

Anyway, it certainly wouldn't be very hard to get a borderline personality case like this nut-job into trouble without doing anything to 'provoke' him, and it's already well established what cops will do when you pull into an empty lot at oh-dark-hundred and sit in your car, or drive around in certain places late at night.

Of course, if you're going to try to sting 'bad' cops, you do need backup. Someone else with another video camera to record from a safe distance. Ideally, you need multiple witnesses who are 'in on it', and ready to testify to your intentions for the night in question.

Probably both of you should have the same audio/video camera set-ups, because you'll both be cruising around late at night in the same area, and there's no predicting which of you will get pulled over, by what kinds of cops.

Having your intentions recorded and witnessed, and documenting and witnessing that your car is absolutely free of damning evidence is also very important, as a bad enough cop will plant evidence, even weapons into your car to 'find'. Having a 'dummy' DVR in plain view while another one records wirelessly might also help, as you can catch the cop vandalizing it (destroying evidence) on tape.

There are cheap (and I mean CHEAP) wireless cameras that broadcast over UHF (or various other frequency ranges) that can be recorded remotely, as well. Even a 'normal' VCR/DVR can be run off 12 volts and an inverter in the trunk, though you might have to either run heavy gauge wires from battery to trunk, or put the inverter under the hood and run AC to the trunk. A couple of web searches for 'wireless color camera microphone' will turn up just the right thing, then a video recorder tuned into that camera in your car and the other car can record all of the fun. The thing to shop for is RANGE, SOUND and SENSITIVITY, as you'll want to make sure you can record from at least around the corner, and see/hear everything relatively clearly. Testing the rig ahead of time and working out the bugs is critical, as any non-trivial home-brewed setup will have some kinks to work out. Get a geek involved.

Oh, and be sure when you post it on the internet that the details (time, place, badge number, etc.) are part of the video in a short title sequence. This video is already getting reposted on 'youtube' in ways that are false, even racist. Make these butt-heads at least edit off the title sequence if they're going to give it a name like 'jew cop'.

Even if people aren't having stationary camera set ups in their car it would be a good idea to at least have a hand held video camera preferably with a directional microphone attached. This will allow you to record any police encounter you may have as well as recording any police encounter you see happening on the streets. It is our right as citizens to observe police conduct and keep records of it whether it be by video, pictures, or the written word. After watching a video produced by the organization known as "Copwatch" I have decided to never go out in public again (especially after dark) without a camera or some means of recording police data. (badge number, car number, name, rank) I apologize if this comes off as a rant, but the police have been given too much power for far too long!

Cops have been hassling (or worse) innocent citizens since the beginning. The key is to call them on it with irrefutable evidence and/or a plethora of eyewitness testimony. The dashboard camera is an excellent idea... "Smile -- you're on Candid Camera, officer friendly!"

I wish I had one as a Snohomish County (WA) motorcycle cop pulled a huey in front of me, and I had to dynamite the brakes to keep from running his butt over. My reward? A ticket for a cracked windshield. The code cited (RCW 46.37.410) states only that I must have a windshield, cannot add signs etc to it that block my view, and I must have working wipers. Not a thing about the condition of the windshield.

You bet yer life I'm challenging this one. I want to see the judge admonish the cop for hassling citizens whose property taxes pay his salary.

Here is what you do.

Put a webcam on your dash, facing the driver window. It need not be active.

When the asshat cop starts abusing you, you say, pointing to the cam:

Sir, do you see the camera and microphone that is pointed at you? Please address me in a respectful manner, as you work for me. That camera is constantly uploading wirelessly to my website, and if you interfere with it or destroy it, that illegal act will not change my compiled evidence against you. Now, what do you want with me?

anyone know? It seems like a good idea.

In most cities its a $400 to $1600 ticket for sleeping on the streets!
guess who pays? Not the homeless, Tax payers who allow it do.

Not everyone who lives on the streets is a drunk or dope addict or a thief, I would like more information on how to protect what little freedom the poor have & stop the gestapo Cops.

I also keep hearing LICENSE?
I know a bit of Law & think everyone living in America
needs to purchase a BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY (6th edition)
& learn what words mean.
Remember Life, Liberty, & the Pursuit of Happiness!
you can not "drive" a car, you "drive" cattle, you "Operate" a Machine or motorized wagon & doing so does not require a LICENSE=the ability to do what otherwise is unlawful.
("MEGA search" www.DogPile.com)= "absolute right to travel"

De-jure vs. DEFACTO =
Real vs. FAKE "we live in a CAPITALIST SOCIETY!" Notice all the CAPITALS = CORPORATION is that how your teacher taught you how to spell your NAME?

Wake up America! know your rights before you loose them.

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Everyone on this forum is a perfect example of why parents should never stop spanking kids their for getting out of line. Stop wining about the police and get a job. If you were to get robbed, the first person your gonna call for help is a cop and if you are not doing anything illegal there is no reason to be in fear of being searched. Get over it!!!

I Desperatly need to find a forum that I can POST my story so that I can draw ATTENTION to the Corruption that has for many years gone out of control, Actually a DISBANDMENT of a previous DRUG TASK FORCE has occured , But the REAL TRUTH has in FACT been COVERED-UP through that disbandment as every member of the existing task force remains within the employment of agencys they existed in, another words the disbandment changed absolutly nothing but a NEW TITLE for the existing members to be named, Fuel has been added to their FIRE as a large portion of these existing members have in fact promoted up to higher positions in public offices, None more disturbing than an ex-member having the position of DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE, My interest in bringing this on is highly motivated by an invasion of my privacy, by way of an Illegal Search Warrant.. This search warrant was promoted by false means , But most importantly the warrant itself was DEFECTIVE on its face, by the PARTICULARITY RULE, As Stated to the SPECIFICS that relate to the PERSON-PLACE-THING for which the warrant is intended,... In my case by that RULE the WARRANT is TOO GENERAL IN SCOPE of the place to be searched, My Address has three residences incorporated in one building, the WARRANT itself included all three appartments as it was addressed without any number on it, Last But Most Important Issue is the warrant had EXPIRED of a valid warrant , The Warrant Was Invalid when it was executed..........

Recently, a cop stop and kick me out of a park at daytime. There was no reason to it . He just say what the hell am I doing sitting in my car. I told him I was tire but getting ready to leave the park. Its not illegal to sit in ur car but the cop here in Cali just stop u if u sit in ur car. oh my fucking god. I paid for my car fully , why can't i sit in it , i should burn it then if I can't sit in my car. a park is a public place and he ask me what im doing there. You should always ask for there business car so u know their name and call their boss and complain. soon enough too many complain will go on their file and they will not be trusted once they are in court. ever time a cop is involve in court the judge will pull out his record to see if he has any complains so ur complains is very worth while , it voice ur opinion about that cop and too many complain his stupid ass would get fire. please call in and file a complain. You would benefit for all other people.

cops are just given to much power and it needs to stop, they get away with everything. ex. you get pulled over for not using your turn signals and then next thing you know the cop is pulling away and not using his. wtf is up with that. every cop should be given drug tests every month to. just because you wear a badge doesnt mean you god. i use to be a cop and got fired because i thought alot of shit they did wasnt right and i wanted no part in it. just think about this, the more tickets/arrests they give out the faster they go up the rank chain and the more they get paid. lol funny isnt it.

I was grounded for getting caught smoking weed by my parents. No big deal, but my dad said i wasn't allowed outside for any reason. I didn't leave my house for about a week so I grew tired and walked outside and sat down by my car. My dad threatened to call the cops on me, but I knew it wasn't illegal to sit outside your house so I didn't move. The cop came and searched me, not even asking for my consent. He pointed a flashlight in my face to see if my pupils were dialated. I wasn't high, I had nothing on me and he kept asking me stupid questions, but i sit silently. Then he said "If you don't enter your house right now, You will get in the back of my patrol car and I will take you to a mental hospital." I wasn't aware I was doing anything wrong, I just went inside anyway. But I should have refused, What was I even doing?

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my name is terry wagar I'm e-mailing you because I'm at a loss as to what i can do about a very dangerous murder conspiracy against me and others, for over 2 and a half years I've suffered from this conspiracy, it began { as best as i can tell,} when my wife joan wagar started having a affair with a co-worker named eric carlson, there affair started around April of 2005, i had reason to believe they was trying to kill me back then but i wasnt sure at the time, I'm very very sure now! there is a very interesting fact about eric that joan tried to hide from me and my daughters, he is almost identical in appearance to me! my wife nicknamed him doubleclick, when i learned of my wifes affair i also learned of that nickname and asked joan "why do you call him doubleclick " she said " oh thats what everyone calls him at work," ever since my wife joan insisted her affair was over, it never ended, year and a half all kinds of odd things was happening i started getting very sick from time to time, i suspected she was poisoning me but was not sure at the time, i am now! in early 2006 around Feb or mar i went to the hospital asking to be tested because my wife was talking in her sleep saying she was poisoning me, i went to OHSU and signed in, they informed me that its unlikely that they will find anything but they took my vitals and i waited in the lobby, i waited 4 and a half hours and they never called me back to be checked, and no officers came to question me about my concerns. so i went home, i could tell no one there cared. this is just too long to explain so i will try to get to the point, on march 26th of 2007 at 5;55 am i put a audio recorder in joans purse because i heard my wife whispering to someone in her bedroom, { i slept on the couch, our marriage was falling apart.} i heard what sounded like a guy whispering back, so i put my recorder in her purse expecting to finally catch joan in the act and laid down pretending to still be asleep, ten minutes later my wife left for work, what i caught on there was a lot more than i expected, i caught a murder conspiracy! i didn't know it right away because the audio i got is like 17 hours long, when i heard on it she was with eric two days later i left her and moved in with my oldest daughter shawna, i spent the next week and a half on and off trying to listen to this audio, it didn't take long to figure out i was being framed for something by my wife and her lover, and they had help! lots of help, i learned i was under INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI and these INVESTIGATORS were good friends with joan and eric and they all met up at our apartment that morning in joans bedroom, they climbed in through joans window, i learned they were there to frame me as a pedophile, eric was posing for pictures in kayles bedroom,{ our youngest daughter,} while the INVESTIGATOR named ERICA { last name unknown to me.} was taking pictures of him while kayle slept, after words eric climbed out joans window and waited for her in her car, and a john ray climbed in and helped joan put something on our computer and then he left the way he came, joan finished getting ready for work and picked up her purse and left for work, once outside joan was talking to these INVESTIGATORS and discussing what they was going to do next, joan and eric on the ride to work was discussing what they was going to say to other employees when they get there, joan mentioned to eric {you woke her up} referring to kayle, and then they discussed breaking into shawnas apartment with ERICA, after lots of listening to that audio i learned joan eric and erica planed to rape shawna and murder her and then frame me for this! they planed to use a signed check of mine to purchase a gun in my name, remember eric looks almost like me in appearance, eric was going to use my ID and one of my checks to purchase a gun, joan was instructed to collect my sperm, eric was going to rape and murder shawna, erica was going to plant my sperm on shawnas body along with other false evidence, joan and eric met up at walmart along with vickie {joans sister} and the investigators and was waiting at the front door for someone to let them in, other employees showed up and the investigators pretended to have caught me in the act, [ referring to eric in kayles room,} and saying they got me on fotogenic, once inside the investigators proceed to put on a phony show of investigating while in the presence of walmart employees while joan and eric and vickie are trashing my name to there fellow employees turning everyone there against me, joan was even addmeting eric has been impersonating me for other crimes, after hours and hours of the investigators claiming in walmart employees presence that i was doing wrong things and joan and eric telling countless lies about me the investigators gave permission to all of them to pedifie me, joan started printing out flyers about me at walmart,{ unknown to me whether they used them or not.} i learned they had me under a illegal video survealence the hole apartment had hidden cameras and the investigators asked there supervisor to take 6;30 off of joan because john ray broke in there, when i left joan and moved in to my daughters apartment about 3 or 4 days later the FBI took over the apartment above shawna and they proceeded to spread rumors in shawnas neiborhood, and was spying on us as well with hidden cameras, they didn't know at that time that i knew they were up there, the ceiling in shawnas apartment has no insulation so i could hear them up there talking about editing my audio and discussing ways of killing me, i knew because they are members of authorities i couldn't get help calling 911, not to mention i was very worried for my family's safety i was afraid to tell shawna about this at this time for her own safety so i just continued to listen to the audio trying to learn as much about this as i could but for my own safety i pretended to not understand it well, about a week and a half after i left joan on April 7th donna { joans mother who also lives at shawnas apartment complex, } asked shawna if i could go to her apartment to fix her computer she said it wouldn't work on the Internet, i didn't want to but shawna insisted so i went over to Donna with shawna and tried to fix her computer, donna offered me a cup of coffee and i accepted, she brought me a cup of coffee and what looked like a mayonaze lid filled with sugar, i put 2 or 3 spoonfuls in my coffee and was sipping while working on her computer, finally i told donna i cant fix it and that maybe she should get a new computer, i drank up my coffee and me and shawna left to go back to shawnas apartment which isn't far away, by the time i got to the stairs i started not feeling well, once inside i really started feeling very sick and needed to lie down, fifteen minutes later my head felt like there was acid eating away at me from the inside, not thinking clearly i called Joanne asking if she could take me to the hospital, during the drive there joan was looking at her rear view mirror a whole hell of a lot, which gave me the suspicion we were being followed, keep in mind neither joan nor those investigators knew yet that i knew about them, once at the hospital i was so fucked up and hurting in my head that i needed a wheelchair, once i was admitted and taken back to a emergency room i waited and waited and no doctor ever came and examed me, one person came in acting like a doctor but never examed me, he only wanted to put his finger in my ass supposed for a colon test of some sort, but he never asked me what was wrong, never examed my eyes or mouth or ears, never took my vitals, never took a urine sample, i was holding my head in severe pain and all he wanted was to put his finger in my ass, once done he left, a half hour later a male nurse brought me a bottle of something to drink saying i need to drink the whole bottle and then i was going to some room to have a kind of ex ray of some sort, never once did a doctor examine me nor did a doctor come in to explain what was going on, after i drank the bottle the nurse took me to a room for this ex ray then brought me back to my room, about a hour later a doctor came and explained that the only thing they could find wrong was there was a little bleeding in my colon and he recommended i follow up with a colanoscopie, needless to say i was totally shocked at his blatant attempt to ignore the fact that NOBODY EXAMED ME!!! i knew at this time that those investigators had somehow interfered with my medical treatment and done something to prevent a doctor from examine me! i went back to shawnas apartment still in pain in my head, it felt like acid burning in there, and to this day i am still in pain in my head over this, about a week after this i stopped pretending to know nothing about this crap with joan and the investigators and looked up at the ceiling where they were and called them a bunch of criminals and murderers and that i was completely discuss ted with them, shawna was home at this time but didn't understand why i did that, an hour later shawna left for work and after that all hell broke loose up stairs, a whole lot of people in suits was going up there and there was some yelling and they seemed very angry, a lot of activity going on for the rest of that day in that apartment above shawnas place, at around 8 or 9 that nite several people went up there talking very loudly acting like they were looking at something and said very loudly { yep thats a pedophile alright.} and then him and a few others from that apartment ran out of there yelling at the top of there lungs through out the hole neaborhood calling me a pedophile, from this point on they was pedifieing me openly in shawnas neaborhood, just flat out calling me a pedophile to others in that neaborhood, this hole time i spent most of my time on the floor in pain from donna poisoning me, i flat out knew i could get no help calling 911 since these were people in authority doing this to me, they stopped doing this when shawna was around they didn't want her to know about it, i told shawna about this but she didn't believe me because she never witnessed any of it and no one at work mentioned this to her, she believed donna poisoned me but she never understood any of the other stuff, the investigators were quite until shawna left for work and was loud when she left, they would say things like { were going to FUCK you over now you son of a bitch!} i remained in the apartment for about a week after donna poisoned me unable to walk much because of the pain, around this time eric showed up downstairs talking very loudly up at the investigators, { the investigators were on the third floor on the patio and eric was on the ground talking up at them, shawnas app is in between them} and eric was loudly calling me a pedophile and giving my description to others who were out there trying to piss me off, i didn't go out to confront him because i knew they wanted to shoot me, before he left he yelled up at the investigators telling them to make sure i drink my coffee, keep in mind they weren't hiding any of there murder attempts from me, after all eric and joan had permission from the authorities to murder me so they just don't give a shit, i have reason to believe the authorities pressed charges against me and gave my disscription on tv because where ever i go people seem to recognize me, people in shawnas old neaborhood would point over at me and say "there's the guy they pedified." ever since i have been under attack behind my back and in front of my face, i learned from that audio that they pedified me in prison so if i get arrested for anything i will likely be murdered in prison, after they poisoned me at some point they broke into shawnas app and replaced my audio with a differant version hoping i would think its the original, i didn't fall for that,there version is nothing but a death threat against me and shawna and there demonstrating how they plan to frame my hole family and give them the blame for me being poisoned and pedofied, and at the end of it there flat out frameing me as a pedophile using my voice and kayles, although they made the mistake of admitting somewhere in the middle of the audio that there using kayles voice, on there replacement audio they threatened to pedofie shawna if i say something about this, well they already did that, what it amounts to is they tried to kill me and shawna, i caught them in the act , and then they threatened to kill us if i talk about it and then they tried to kill us again, so it does me no good to heed there threats, as far as I'm concerned they murdered me already and there in the process of murdering shawna right now, there have been too many attempts to tell them all on this, let me suffice it to say the other nite joan and a couple of her friends came here to murder me and that plan failed, but there not scared about it because they have some people in authority covering there asses, i write this on November 13th 2007 and at this very moment this apartment is under a illegal video survielence by the FBI, and they allow others over the Internet to spy on us and make fun of us, chances are there going to murder me for sending this because they made it clear there going to cover there asses, but thats why i saved the best for last.
p.s. the address where this ocured is 8800 se causey loop n-205 clackamas OR 97086, the whole neaberhood there has heard of this and the authorities used a warrant to kick out the tenants above shawnas apartment

What the heck is that annoying click noise?

I owned a business in Georgia. one local detective ,two ex local officers ,and a daughter of the assistant district attorney stole over $300,000.00 worth of goods,money and equipment from me. I turned it over to the DA and now the department that stole all my stuff is doing the investigation. I handed them a paper trail,witnesses,video,etc and am getting nowhere. Now they are investigating me (not sure for what yet).Now I can't get my evidence back from the DA. Its never a good time it turns out. Meanwhile my family is hurting and they are free to go do it again.

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